theUpsideDown

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Filler....

Nantonaku

Awful like gas station nacho cheese sauce or awful like children hospitals getting bombed in Ukraine? There is a spectrum of awfulness. I can't remember the last time I saw a pilot in the terminal walking around without a hat. I've never seen someone wearing Vans shoes to work. And a North Face jacket is the standard commute jacket. Just because you know they are a pilot doesn't mean the general public does - there is nothing that says because you are a pilot with a pilot bag you can't wear a North Face jacket.

Gunfighter

​​​​​​If you are wearing a north face jacket, but nametags, wings and epaulettes are covered are you out of uniform?

biigD

I dunno - I think your gain may be cranked up a little too high. I'm sure those guys exist, but on the whole you guys do a hell of a lot better job of looking standard than anyone else - especially us.

OOfff

yes I am obviously comparing uniform noncompliance to war crimes.

Nantonaku

I'd expect nothing less from you. What is more awful, someone without a hat or someone who uses periods at the end of their sentences but doesn't capitalize the beginning letter of the sentence?

queuetip

If you read Chapter 32 of the FOM, there's a ton of room for interpretation and misunderstanding. I say, give any coworker the benefit of the doubt when guidance is ambiguous. For example, Chapter 32 says to ensure that words and actions are professional and consistent with Delta's corporate "Rules of the Road." What if a coworker's jacket was vomited on by an ill passenger and said employee only had a "non-compliant" North Face jacket to put on when it's 5 degrees outside and snowing? Well the first tenet of the rules of the road are to put safety first - always. A rational person would say, put on the North Face to ensure your safety from a hazardous environment. The term "Jacket" as referenced in the table is also ambiguous. It only refers to "The jacket". What is "The jacket"? I think they're lucky that they get the compliance that they do considering it's only referenced as "The jacket". If, however, Delta issued a specific "sport coat" or "jacket", then it would be less ambiguous, but Delta Air Lines saw fit not to issue a specific uniform coat. Additionally - under specifications - "The jacket" is supposed to contain vendor applied striping. Which vendor? The general office vendor? OOfff, I'd be willing to wager $10 to a charity of your choice that you don't have general office vendor applied striping on your coat. The FOM says that the uniform must be properly worn in public view. Last I checked, airports and airplanes require a ticket to get past security. Outside of security, sure that seems to be public access as anyone is free to walk up and purchase a ticket from the ticket counter. Inside of security though, there's no argument access is restricted to only individuals holding boarding passes, or employed by an airline, airport, or government agency. Heck, if you read the specifications for "the jacket" it doesn't allow for you to remove the jacket on the flight deck or while commuting. There's no bigger window for the public to view you than through the front window of your office. Additionally, if we say that the public is anyone inside the airport, then certainly you should be wearing the jacket, buttoned, while deadheading across the ocean or good old USA as well.

OOfff - I'm sure you're a better person than I am, smarter, taller, kinder and all that, but just because one of our coworkers isn't in line with your interpretation of the FOM doesn't make him or her a bad person. Maybe the FO stole his or her jacket while doing a plane and crew swap (happened to me), or maybe coffee got spilled on it the last trip and it hasn't come back from the dry cleaner. Maybe one of the buttons departed the coat or maybe there's some striping that is being applied by the company vendor, who knows? A little grace goes a long way though.

OOfff

fair point, but I’m also pretty sure you’re talking about the minority of people out of uniform…or there’s a lot more hat and jacket theft than anyone realizes

badflaps

January in NYC, waiting for the van, girls are wrapped in DAL (Logo) blankets. Inquired as to the location of winter coats. Was told, "It wasn't cold when we left Miami."

DWC CAP10 USAF

NYC RD recently pulled a Capt off his rotation for not wearing his hat…sent him home on the spot, without pay.