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03-09-2023, 09:18 AM

#941

Airfix

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Is it a contract violation if while on reserve the company doesn't honor your yellow slip "if required to fly" preferences?

I yellow slipped a specific trip and it was awarded to a junior pilot an hour or so before they award me another trip i didn't want that had a mid trip redeye.

I'm just not sure if that constitutes a contract violation and I don't want to submit st in the ACEs app to minimize unnecessary work for the union.

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Airfix

03-09-2023, 09:28 AM

#942

TED74

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Airfix

This happens ALL THE TIME. Feel free to research it with a call to scheduling. What’s most likely is the trip you got didn’t exist at the time they pulled the trip coverage report for trip you “wanted”. Some time after that report was run (and covered), your crappy trip became uncovered and of course the junior pilot is no longer available for assignment. Reserve if-needed yellow slips are always a gamble. Sometimes you have to go ugly early with an actual yellow slip. And with 2-days-prior coverage under the new contract, the gambles will only become more uncertain.

03-09-2023, 09:45 AM

#943

Airfix

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TED74

I'm 95% certain both trips were in open time because I specifically put in the yellow slip to avoid the trip I was awarded. I don't have a screen shot of that though so I can't be certain.

I will call scheduling though to understand what happened.

Even if they did screw up the yellow slip award (which I think is a manual process) there is no recourse for me unless it's a contract violation. Do you know if it's a contract violation if they did screw it up on their end?

03-09-2023, 09:51 AM

#944

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by Airfix

There are a lot of factors. Did you both have the same number of days available? Were you in the same raw buckets? Etc? It's complicated and sometimes scheduling can tell you why, but a lot of times they don't really make sense. Good luck!

03-09-2023, 11:37 AM

#945

FangsF15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Airfix

IF all else is equal (both trips in open time when trip coverage was started, same RAW grouping, and days of availability), then, yes it would be a contract violation. They do not have an option to simply ignore an “if needed” slip. CS has been known to fail to even check for a “if needed” slip, since it is a manual process

However, as noted above, it can be more complicated than is apparent at first glance. After asking CS first, I submitted an FCR & ACE for what seemed like a clear-cut violation. But in reality, I actually wasn’t “needed” when the trip coverage report was generated, and the junior pilot was assigned the (better) trip. They don’t go back once an assignment is made. So I lost the appeal. Call CS and ask the question, and if not satisfied with their answer, file an ACE.

03-10-2023, 05:10 AM

#946

RunFast

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23.S.15

Reg line Mar with a carry out trip 1-3 Apr.

if I bid Res in Apr and place X days on 1-3 Apr, do those X days get moved to my first set of on call days?

or should I bud 1-3 Apr as on call days?

03-10-2023, 05:18 AM

#947

bugman61

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Originally Posted by RunFast

Reg line Mar with a carry out trip 1-3 Apr.

if I bid Res in Apr and place X days on 1-3 Apr, do those X days get moved to my first set of on call days?

or should I bud 1-3 Apr as on call days?

1-3 will be blocked with the trip as a pre assigned activity. You will bid all your x days elsewhere. If you later trade/drop the trip the days become in call days.

03-10-2023, 06:12 AM

#948

tennisguru

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RunFast

Reg line Mar with a carry out trip 1-3 Apr.

if I bid Res in Apr and place X days on 1-3 Apr, do those X days get moved to my first set of on call days?

or should I bud 1-3 Apr as on call days?

As was said that carry in trip will be pre-posted on your PBS calendar, so you cannot bid X days over that same footprint. Those days will count as on call days, so if based on your category's Res guarantee you have to have 16 on call days, you'll only need 13 days placed in the rest of the month. If you drop the trip once the awards come out those days revert to LC days. If you fly the trip any block on 1-3 April and any trip credit will go towards your RES guarantee, so that portion is basically working for free.

03-10-2023, 07:05 AM

#949

FangsF15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RunFast

Reg line Mar with a carry out trip 1-3 Apr.

if I bid Res in Apr and place X days on 1-3 Apr, do those X days get moved to my first set of on call days?

or should I bud 1-3 Apr as on call days?

Check out johnfbell.com, and use his reserve line simulator. It’s about ¾ down the page. Use a “carry in” on the days of your trip, and it will show you what you can and can’t do after that, and how many days you “owe”. BL: you still get the same number of X days to use the rest of the month. It’s a fantastic reserve tool.

03-10-2023, 06:59 PM

#950

RunFast

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Thank you. I use JB almost every month but forgot about the reserve tool (not the pay spreadsheet). I’ve used this tactic before but 23.s.15 had me scratching my nugget.