Reserve for Dummies
07-13-2022, 03:55 AM
#541
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All lines are awarded as long call lines. You can be converted to short call 6 times a month and some months 7. Short calls are 9 hours but you can use the first two to get in position so effectively 7 hours and early release is possible. Average number of short calls per reserve is under 3 per month. Delta has no airport standby or ready reserve.
07-13-2022, 05:13 AM
#542
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All lines are awarded as long call lines. You can be converted to short call 6 times a month and some months 7. Short calls are 9 hours but you can use the first two to get in position so effectively 7 hours and early release is possible. Average number of short calls per reserve is under 3 per month. Delta has no airport standby or ready reserve.
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07-13-2022, 05:22 AM
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with that said if you are in a NB category, you probably will get used.
07-13-2022, 05:29 AM
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You just call crew scheds and ask if they will release you. It’s informal and I doubt anything is written. There is a contractual method for release on the last day of a reserve block. In addition on the first day the earliest report you can be assigned is 10am and that must be on your schedule by 3pm the day prior. If not 12 noon is the earliest.
07-13-2022, 06:22 AM
#545
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Thanks for the input. When you say roughly “2-3 hours”, what do you mean? Is it defined in the contract? At my regional, it’s a hard number, 2 hours to be on airport property. At American Airlines, I know their contract is vague and says something like “must be able to get to the airport within a reasonable amount of time via ground transportation”.
The reason this is so relevant to me is because I live about 3 hours from Detroit airport. I am curious if I would be able to be home during reserve times at delta.
The reason this is so relevant to me is because I live about 3 hours from Detroit airport. I am curious if I would be able to be home during reserve times at delta.
07-13-2022, 06:27 AM
#546
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All lines are awarded as long call lines. You can be converted to short call 6 times a month and some months 7. Short calls are 9 hours but you can use the first two to get in position so effectively 7 hours and early release is possible. Average number of short calls per reserve is under 3 per month. Delta has no airport standby or ready reserve.
07-13-2022, 06:31 AM
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You are on short call for 9. You are expected to be available...it's a long story and depends on many things, so read the next 200 comments on what that time means, but around 2 hours-ish.
07-13-2022, 06:44 AM
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Long call is 24/7 unless you've been converted to SC of an assignment. In those cases, you are put to rest for 12 hours. You'll be on SC for 9 hours before reverting back to long call.
07-13-2022, 06:55 AM
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Thanks for the input. When you say roughly “2-3 hours”, what do you mean? Is it defined in the contract? At my regional, it’s a hard number, 2 hours to be on airport property. At American Airlines, I know their contract is vague and says something like “must be able to get to the airport within a reasonable amount of time via ground transportation”.
The reason this is so relevant to me is because I live about 3 hours from Detroit airport. I am curious if I would be able to be home during reserve times at delta.
The reason this is so relevant to me is because I live about 3 hours from Detroit airport. I am curious if I would be able to be home during reserve times at delta.
NY is a bit different because your “promptly available” (this is the language in the contract) is measured from any of the 3 airports, so if you could have “promptly reported” to EWR but it took you 4 hours to get to JFK you are covered.
2 hours is no where in the contract regarding callout time but is probably a good rule to use, especially in your first year. If it takes you longer due to unusual traffic or something you will still be covered, but I would not make a habit of it personally.
07-13-2022, 07:12 AM
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SC = yes
If by ready reserve you mean airport standby, no.
As Tripled states below, schedulers can essentially get a person to act like an airport standby during a long sit, but we are never required to answer the phone, so they can't make you report to a new flight in 30 minutes while you are having out on your 4:45 sit.
If by ready reserve you mean airport standby, no.
As Tripled states below, schedulers can essentially get a person to act like an airport standby during a long sit, but we are never required to answer the phone, so they can't make you report to a new flight in 30 minutes while you are having out on your 4:45 sit.
yes. They’re called reroutes.
In all seriousness, short call is a roughly 2-3 hour callout time and ‘ready reserve’ is not a clearly defined term to the group. It appears a ‘ready reserve’ capability is built into the line construction process via long sits at domiciles (2-5 hours) and also long layovers (30 hours). Some in the pilot group disagree with this application of ‘ready reserve’ so the future contract may have some changes to create such a capability.
Perhaps the group would agree to a 3rd type of monthly flying schedule where a pilot would simply bid a line with a firm start and/or ending time with a wide range of ‘operational flexibility’ as to where he actually flies/lays over during the trip window. With real-time schedule optimization now a possibility, this may be desirable to the company.
In all seriousness, short call is a roughly 2-3 hour callout time and ‘ready reserve’ is not a clearly defined term to the group. It appears a ‘ready reserve’ capability is built into the line construction process via long sits at domiciles (2-5 hours) and also long layovers (30 hours). Some in the pilot group disagree with this application of ‘ready reserve’ so the future contract may have some changes to create such a capability.
Perhaps the group would agree to a 3rd type of monthly flying schedule where a pilot would simply bid a line with a firm start and/or ending time with a wide range of ‘operational flexibility’ as to where he actually flies/lays over during the trip window. With real-time schedule optimization now a possibility, this may be desirable to the company.
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