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Old 05-25-2022, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Not a requirement, but if it's placed on your line prior to 1500, you are responsible for it and you will not get a call.
Point of clarification for the noobs reading along.

PWA says 9hrs prior….not 1500.

Yes 1500 is 9 hrs prior which is great when your off day ends at midnight.

But the same requirement to make yourself aware of anything placed on your schedule also applies when coming off of 30hrs of rest as well as PR (partial payback) days, which 99.9999% of the time end at sometime other than midnight, so your 9hr prior time could be 0230, or 2159.
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Point of clarification for the noobs reading along.

PWA says 9hrs prior….not 1500.

Yes 1500 is 9 hrs prior which is great when your off day ends at midnight.

But the same requirement to make yourself aware of anything placed on your schedule also applies when coming off of 30hrs of rest as well as PR (partial payback) days, which 99.9999% of the time end at sometime other than midnight, so your 9hr prior time could be 0230, or 2159.
Actually you are not required to check during your 30 hours of rest. You will start long call at the end of that and they have to call you
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
Actually you are not required to check during your 30 hours of rest. You will start long call at the end of that and they have to call you
Unless something is placed on your schedule at least 9 hours prior to beginning LC again. They will not call you in this instance.

3. has a report earlier than ten hours from the end of his last non-fly day.
Note one: A rotation that has a report between ten and 12 hours after the end of a
pilot’s last non-fly day will be assigned no later than nine hours prior to the end of
such non-fly day under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b).
Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned
a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an
assignment.
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
Point of clarification for the noobs reading along.

PWA says 9hrs prior….not 1500.

Yes 1500 is 9 hrs prior which is great when your off day ends at midnight.

But the same requirement to make yourself aware of anything placed on your schedule also applies when coming off of 30hrs of rest as well as PR (partial payback) days, which 99.9999% of the time end at sometime other than midnight, so your 9hr prior time could be 0230, or 2159.
You are correct. Most people know it as the 1500 rule. But you are right, it's 9 hours prior to the beginning of an on-call period.
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
Actually you are not required to check during your 30 hours of rest. You will start long call at the end of that and they have to call you
It’s not a required schedule check like when blocking in from a RES rotation, but just like when starting a block of RES on call days, the pilot is responsible for making themselves aware of anything placed on their schedule NLT 9hrs prior to the non fly day ending…non-fly day is defined as 24hr period where you don’t do work for the company, so it does apply to coming off of 30hrs of rest.

Edit: changed off to non-fly to keep words matching the PWA
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Unless something is placed on your schedule at least 9 hours prior to beginning LC again. They will not call you in this instance.

3. has a report earlier than ten hours from the end of his last non-fly day.
Note one: A rotation that has a report between ten and 12 hours after the end of a
pilot’s last non-fly day will be assigned no later than nine hours prior to the end of
such non-fly day under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b).
Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned
a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an
assignment.
30hours of rest is NOT a non fly day unless you were given rest adjoining an off day. To be clear 30 hours of rest in the middle of a block of reserve is rest but not a non fly day.
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
30hours of rest is NOT a non fly day unless you were given rest adjoining an off day. To be clear 30 hours of rest in the middle of a block of reserve is rest but not a non fly day.
According to section 2 a "non-fly" day is defined as "not on long call or short call."
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Originally Posted by Falcon20
30hours of rest is NOT a non fly day unless you were given rest adjoining an off day. To be clear 30 hours of rest in the middle of a block of reserve is rest but not a non fly day.

30 hours of rest is 100% a non fly day under the pwa.
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Originally Posted by bugman61
30 hours of rest is 100% a non fly day under the pwa.
Fair enough I’m obviously wrong. 1000 apologies
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My experience has been that they call at midnight (or whenever the RAP starts) if you don't acknowledge the trip during the 9 hours prior to being on call. You still have 10 hours of rest before you are required to report. Sometimes I am unable to check my schedule until my RAP starts and that's perfectly fine. 9 hours prior is the latest they can add flying, not when you must check it. Crew scheduling is not required to call though, so if you have to commute to base and can't during the first 10 hours it's on you to check and show for a trip. However, if you check at 9 hours prior and there's nothing, then you don't need to check again, just wait for contact.
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