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Old 10-12-2024, 07:20 AM
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iCrew, open time, F2 previous, F2 previous, reserve open time, short call periods
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Anyone know why the scheduling reference handbook has additional restrictions that aren’t in the PWA? 12.G.13 says no pilot shall have consecutive layovers under 12 hours.

The SRH says that only applies to bid packet rotations, but I can’t find that restriction anywhere in the PWA. Scheduling agreed the PWA doesn’t have it, but says the SRH controls….
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Old 10-21-2024, 03:15 PM
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Anyone know why the scheduling reference handbook has additional restrictions that aren’t in the PWA? 12.G.13 says no pilot shall have consecutive layovers under 12 hours.

The SRH says that only applies to bid packet rotations, but I can’t find that restriction anywhere in the PWA. Scheduling agreed the PWA doesn’t have it, but says the SRH controls….
Yes, this is an odd one. I had this occur in February due to IROPs with no resolution.
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Old 10-21-2024, 03:47 PM
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Yes, this is an odd one. I had this occur in February due to IROPs with no resolution.
Right? I always thought the SRH was for our benefit to help us understand our sometimes Byzantine rules, not to add in additional restrictions that are found nowhere in the PWA.

12.G.13 seems pretty black and white, I looked all over that section and there’s absolutely nothing about bid packet rotations in there.
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Right? I always thought the SRH was for our benefit to help us understand our sometimes Byzantine rules, not to add in additional restrictions that are found nowhere in the PWA.

12.G.13 seems pretty black and white, I looked all over that section and there’s absolutely nothing about bid packet rotations in there.
12.P.5. as well.
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12.P.5. as well.
Also 12.P.1 is a great example that they know how to put that language in the contract. It begins “at the time of publication of the bid package.”

That language is completely absent from 12.G.13

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Also 12.P.1 is a great example that they know how to put that language in the contract. It begins “at the time of publication of the bid package.”

That language is completely absent from 12.G.13
The amount of errata (which this isn’t, it’s a complete oversight) in C19 is crazy.
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Old 10-22-2024, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Anyone know why the scheduling reference handbook has additional restrictions that aren’t in the PWA? 12.G.13 says no pilot shall have consecutive layovers under 12 hours.

The SRH says that only applies to bid packet rotations, but I can’t find that restriction anywhere in the PWA. Scheduling agreed the PWA doesn’t have it, but says the SRH controls….
This is the first time I have heard of CS trying to argue USING the SRH instead of them arguing against it being binding...
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Right? I always thought the SRH was for our benefit to help us understand our sometimes Byzantine rules, not to add in additional restrictions that are found nowhere in the PWA.

12.G.13 seems pretty black and white, I looked all over that section and there’s absolutely nothing about bid packet rotations in there.
The SRH is written by the union and approved by the company. It is as binding as the PWA
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The SRH is written by the union and approved by the company. It is as binding as the PWA
I know that, my question was why is it not in the PWA when they certainly know how to put that language in there as they do it in other sections.

I also thought that the SRH was derived from the PWA, not the other way around. If that’s the case, it shouldn’t be inventing restrictions out of whole cloth.

The most likely answer is that the union negotiated 12.G.13 with these restrictions and just forgot to add the language into the PWA. But you know if the shoe were on the other foot, the company would magically “re-interpret” their intent and point to the actual PWA language if it benefited them.
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