CBreezy

Within reserve utilitization order, i.e. days of availability and RAW group

Casualinterest

I just flew with someone who tried to call in fatigued pre report and was told he "can't". And he apparently just accepted that... You absolutely can. Whether or not it's paid out of sick or not depends on the frb. But if you're fatigued that's the end of the conversation.

Gone Flying

If the story went like you said,

1) that pilot violated FAR 117 and needs to talk to ALPA, idk if ASAP would cover him/her.

2) ALPA needs to get on this and get the FAA involved.

§117.5 Fitness for duty.

(a) Each flightcrew member must report for any flight duty period rested and prepared to perform his or her assigned duties.

(b) No certificate holder may assign and no flightcrew member may accept assignment to a flight duty period if the flightcrew member has reported for a flight duty period too fatigued to safely perform his or her assigned duties.

(c) No certificate holder may permit a flightcrew member to continue a flight duty period if the flightcrew member has reported him or herself too fatigued to continue the assigned flight duty period.

(d) As part of the dispatch or flight release, as applicable, each flightcrew member must affirmatively state he or she is fit for duty prior to commencing flight.

iLikeMoose

Did he/she try to do it more than 10 hours before report? If so, the company has said you gotta wait. Whatever. But if its within 10 hours its a pretty simple call. "I am fatigued, I will be rested and ready at XXXX." No explanation or excuse needed, and I have yet to hear of a DP trying to "reject" the call except when a pilot proceeds to offer too much info beyond the aforementioned statement.

tennisguru

As was said above, the company absolutely will let you call in fatigued prior to report. What they currently won’t do is accept a call more than 10 hours from report. Which is kind of dumb, but I also don’t see what the big deal is. You’d think they want as much lead time as possible to cover the flights but I guess they don’t care. So just wait until you’re within 10 hours of report to call.

Gone Flying

agreed. I guess the logic there is you have a full FAR legal rest period before report to get rest. But like you said, just call back later.

if it was inside 10 hours to report, the pilot called fatigued and then proceeded to report for duty… that would be what I was talking about.

RAH RAH REE

I called in fatigued on a reserve assignment that was supposed to leave at 10pm for 10hr flight to EZE. They ended up pushing the flight back that afternoon to a 530am departure. Before these trips the night before I stay up late and sleep in late to kind of push my body clock back. I was up all night trying to sleep until 3am when I called fatigued. I was still charged with a deduction to my sick bank because of their stupid a$# policy of just completely changing departure times for these long haul flights and keeping the original crews on it.

If I would have just called in sick I would have gotten the same pay but wouldn't have had to fill out paperwork.

CBreezy

You also don't have a lookback hit. I'm not sure how they can claim it wasn't operationally induced because the leg was delayed 7 hours

tennisguru

If you had reported at the original time would you have even been legal to sit around and wait for a 5 AM departure? If the report time was changed and you were in rest prior to report, did you acknowledge the change? I just wonder if reporting for duty on time, fit for an on time departure, and then being fatigued with the delay (again, if you were evel legal) would not have come out of your sick bank?

RAH RAH REE

If you have an overnight that halfway during it is extended to past 30hrs is that considered your 30hrs if rest for 30 in 168? Rest was never assigned or mentioned during the reassignment call.