Reserve for Dummies
12-09-2023, 08:27 AM
#1451
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I guess that raises a second question. REG in December. Considering RES for January.
This trip spills into the 1st, so my understanding is that reduces my on call days by 1, but does that mean that I would go right back onto LC 18 hours later as you indicate or is the 1st just completely wiped out?
This trip spills into the 1st, so my understanding is that reduces my on call days by 1, but does that mean that I would go right back onto LC 18 hours later as you indicate or is the 1st just completely wiped out?
Reserves are awarded X days and other preassigned activities. Any time that you don’t have something awarded (or where the pwa otherwise states you are not on call like before/after CQ) you are on call. A lineholder who has a transition trip into a reserve month immediately goes on call at release. If they subsequently trade/drop the trip the entire time in the subsequent month becomes on call time.
12-09-2023, 08:29 AM
#1452
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There is a big difference between a REG trip that spills into a RES month, and a REG trip that ends on the last day of the bid period with LC starting the next day. A spill trip, as I said on my post above, ends with you as a reserve pilot with the required post-rotation schedule check. Assuming no future assignment you go immediately onto LC upon release from the rotation. If a REG pilot ends a trip on the last day of the bid period, they are still a REG pilot and have no required schedule check. That day is also not a non-fly day so there is no way for scheduling to assign them an early report on their first day of LC. They just start LC at midnight on the first day of the bid period and scheduling must contact them at that point to assign anything starting at 1800 or later.
12-09-2023, 02:19 PM
#1453
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Any time you have a transition trip REG to RES, the trip counts towards your reserve days of work in PBS. Any block/DH/duty credit from days in the RES bid period, plus any trip credit which pays on the last day, go towards your RES guarantee. Pay/no credit items like SIT, EDP, and Holiday pay would pay above the reserve guarantee on the reserve month.
When you finish your rotation you are a reserve pilot and must do your post-rotation schedule check, and scheduling can assign you another rotation or SC starting as early as 18 hours from release. Also, transition trip trading is locked during the PBS processing window, so once the RES month schedule is posted, if you drop or swap out of the spill trip, any days in the RES month covered by that trip revert to LC.
When you finish your rotation you are a reserve pilot and must do your post-rotation schedule check, and scheduling can assign you another rotation or SC starting as early as 18 hours from release. Also, transition trip trading is locked during the PBS processing window, so once the RES month schedule is posted, if you drop or swap out of the spill trip, any days in the RES month covered by that trip revert to LC.
You go on 18 hour long call at release from the trip.
Reserves are awarded X days and other preassigned activities. Any time that you don’t have something awarded (or where the pwa otherwise states you are not on call like before/after CQ) you are on call. A lineholder who has a transition trip into a reserve month immediately goes on call at release. If they subsequently trade/drop the trip the entire time in the subsequent month becomes on call time.
Reserves are awarded X days and other preassigned activities. Any time that you don’t have something awarded (or where the pwa otherwise states you are not on call like before/after CQ) you are on call. A lineholder who has a transition trip into a reserve month immediately goes on call at release. If they subsequently trade/drop the trip the entire time in the subsequent month becomes on call time.
There is a big difference between a REG trip that spills into a RES month, and a REG trip that ends on the last day of the bid period with LC starting the next day. A spill trip, as I said on my post above, ends with you as a reserve pilot with the required post-rotation schedule check. Assuming no future assignment you go immediately onto LC upon release from the rotation. If a REG pilot ends a trip on the last day of the bid period, they are still a REG pilot and have no required schedule check. That day is also not a non-fly day so there is no way for scheduling to assign them an early report on their first day of LC. They just start LC at midnight on the first day of the bid period and scheduling must contact them at that point to assign anything starting at 1800 or later.
12-09-2023, 03:31 PM
#1454
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Your FDP limit is the earliest of:
1) FDP report time plus FDP limit from FAR 117 Table B, including mutually agreeable FDP ex- tensions, or
2) RAP start time plus FAR Table B value plus 4 hours, no extension allowed, or
3) RAP start time plus 16 hours, no extension allowed.
For your situation, you enter Table B for 2 leg reporting at 1045 which yields a 14-hour FDP limit.
1) 1045 report time + 14 hour from Table B = 0045 (just after midnight the next day)
2) 0500 + 14 hours (1900) + 4 hour = 2300
3) 0500 + 16 hours 2100
Your limit is 2100 based on #3
1) FDP report time plus FDP limit from FAR 117 Table B, including mutually agreeable FDP ex- tensions, or
2) RAP start time plus FAR Table B value plus 4 hours, no extension allowed, or
3) RAP start time plus 16 hours, no extension allowed.
For your situation, you enter Table B for 2 leg reporting at 1045 which yields a 14-hour FDP limit.
1) 1045 report time + 14 hour from Table B = 0045 (just after midnight the next day)
2) 0500 + 14 hours (1900) + 4 hour = 2300
3) 0500 + 16 hours 2100
Your limit is 2100 based on #3
in time I believe.
So for Hubcapped, yes it is a legal assignment with no wiggle room whatsoever.
Sounds tiring though.
12-10-2023, 08:19 PM
#1455
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12-11-2023, 02:42 AM
#1456
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12-11-2023, 03:37 AM
#1457
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Yeah I understand if I ever ack anything then it counts no matter what. Just failing to see a strong argument against the CNO robot call.
12-11-2023, 04:36 AM
#1458
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PBS Bidding Question: I usually bid reserve, but thinking of line for next month and not too well versed bidding for line trips.
My category picked up a bunch of nice Carribbean layovers for January. If I can score a couple of those, I'd deal with flying a line for the month, otherwise I want reserve. Basically, I want to bid in such a way that I get at least a couple of the XYZ layovers and if not awarded "else start next" and give me reserve.
ELSE START NEXT doesn't seem to be an option to combine with AWARD PAIRINGS. Any ideas how to construct a bid with this logic? I'm looking at adding a CSSN line, but I still think it might possibly award me a line without the XYZ layover if I use this.
My category picked up a bunch of nice Carribbean layovers for January. If I can score a couple of those, I'd deal with flying a line for the month, otherwise I want reserve. Basically, I want to bid in such a way that I get at least a couple of the XYZ layovers and if not awarded "else start next" and give me reserve.
ELSE START NEXT doesn't seem to be an option to combine with AWARD PAIRINGS. Any ideas how to construct a bid with this logic? I'm looking at adding a CSSN line, but I still think it might possibly award me a line without the XYZ layover if I use this.
12-11-2023, 04:39 AM
#1459
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All of the appropriate references were provided by Ar Pilot. The company and union's position on this issue is not based on conjecture.
12-11-2023, 05:14 AM
#1460
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PBS Bidding Question: I usually bid reserve, but thinking of line for next month and not too well versed bidding for line trips.
My category picked up a bunch of nice Carribbean layovers for January. If I can score a couple of those, I'd deal with flying a line for the month, otherwise I want reserve. Basically, I want to bid in such a way that I get at least a couple of the XYZ layovers and if not awarded "else start next" and give me reserve.
ELSE START NEXT doesn't seem to be an option to combine with AWARD PAIRINGS. Any ideas how to construct a bid with this logic? I'm looking at adding a CSSN line, but I still think it might possibly award me a line without the XYZ layover if I use this.
My category picked up a bunch of nice Carribbean layovers for January. If I can score a couple of those, I'd deal with flying a line for the month, otherwise I want reserve. Basically, I want to bid in such a way that I get at least a couple of the XYZ layovers and if not awarded "else start next" and give me reserve.
ELSE START NEXT doesn't seem to be an option to combine with AWARD PAIRINGS. Any ideas how to construct a bid with this logic? I'm looking at adding a CSSN line, but I still think it might possibly award me a line without the XYZ layover if I use this.
For example: ESN can only be placed on the end of a Prefer Off, Avoid or Set Condition Preference which is why you aren't able to put it at the end of the Award Pairing line.
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