Airfix

That's the way I thought it was supposed work. I'll give it another follow up before the fly it and grieve it later approach.

bugman61

When you call back reference 23.S.11. 9 hours free from duty upon release, then your X days begin immediately following such nine-hour period.

FangsF15

+1 to all this. Call and ask for a supervisor. Be professional and calm. If they do not accede to the PWA, call the CPO immediately.

Airfix

Thanks everybody. I ended up using Crew Assist initially. They talked to a scheduling supervisor and had me call the supervisor directly. The supervisor had no issues and corrected my PB day allocation as you all suggested and the 5 day dropped back into open time, now being split up for green slips.

The run of the mill schedulers don't always understand the contract that well. This was my first time in this situation myself so I was a little unsure and ceded to the scheduler until you guys prompted me to challenge their actions.

Cheers,

Airfix

FangsF15

Thank you for standing your ground, and for posting the results here for all to learn. The only way uninformed/mistrained CSers will learn is if we hold them to the PWA. Sometimes that goes for us too…

CS is a hard job, especially for a non-pilot to learn how things work and understand the nuances. I have found you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Said another way, never raise your voice in an argument you k ow you are going to win.

All 5 Stages

Glad it worked out, and hopefully the false/unclear interpretation that some schedulers have will disappear.

This begs the question of how many in your situation just accepted the reserve assignment? Hopefully none, or very few; but even if just 1 or 2 pilots per category per month accept this, or "flies then grieves" then the company saves several premium trips and PB days.

A5S

CBreezy

Some guys value PB bank days over reserve off days. They won't tell them they did it wrong until after it's too late.

Airfix

Yeah there is no point ever getting upset on the phone to anybody. It just undermines your position.

The other thing I think I saw schedulers do today that night be illegal is this:

I had another GS in today for a 2 day rotation on my PB day. About 4 hours before the rotation signed in I got called for an IA for that very same rotation. I impulsively agreed knowing it wouldn't cost me an extra green slip that I might use later.

Anyway about 2 hours later, after the trip had been awarded to me as an IA I got an arcos greenslip notification for that very same trip.

It's like they were trying to cover their tracks as the GS should have gone through the arcos process before the IA. With the IA being assigned 4 hours out they had plenty of time to run it through more arcos batches.

Anyway I think I screwed myself because I don't see the section section 23.Q.6.c.exception language in the Inverse Assignment Section R. So I'll probably not get that 2 day reserve assignment dropped the day after I get in from my IA due to a compensatory PB day .

It's a complicated business trying to fly for as much money with as little work as possible!

Airfix

Puddytatt

23 U 3 b Note 1.

Wolf424

Schedulers have openly told people (myself included) that they have been running IA and GS coverage simultaneously.

I missed a GS recently because it had already been covered as an IA after I accepted it. Asked the scheduler to check to see if the proper pilot (hopefully me) was pay protected and he said it hadn’t been submitted to payroll to do so. He was nice and friendly about it and said he would submit it (he wasn’t the scheduler who assigned the IA). I submitted an ACE anyway.

Regardless of how they are running coverage, the fact that they haven’t been submitting the proper paperwork to pay protect the affected pilot is theft. How many times has no one caught it and submitted an ACE? I’ve so far been disappointed in the “meh” reaction from the union on this.