DL Hiring: New Process
09-10-2021, 05:12 AM
#491
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Interviewed five years ago. We met up at the Hilton across the street the night prior for a beer. That was a good move for all as it broke the ice and helped smooth the nervous chatter on interview day. Three guys didn’t get the job in my group.
First guy was a coast guard pilot. Showed up in a weird tan suit with a glossy pink tie. Seemed okay when I talked with him, but his demeanor screamed ‘outlier’.
Second guy was AF F16 guy. He argued with us all why his Air Force time printouts would suffice and that no logbook was required. Even the other military guys pointed out that Delta asks specifically for a logbook, so you should probably bring a logbook.
Third guy didn’t really speak to anyone all day.
It’s a small sample size example, but it seemed to me all the ‘normal’ types got the job. I flew recently with a guy who’d previously been on the Delta interview team. He had some great stories. One common theme was that most of us aren’t as good at interviewing as we’d like to think. He was a fan of interview prep and said he could usually tell those that used it.
First guy was a coast guard pilot. Showed up in a weird tan suit with a glossy pink tie. Seemed okay when I talked with him, but his demeanor screamed ‘outlier’.
Second guy was AF F16 guy. He argued with us all why his Air Force time printouts would suffice and that no logbook was required. Even the other military guys pointed out that Delta asks specifically for a logbook, so you should probably bring a logbook.
Third guy didn’t really speak to anyone all day.
It’s a small sample size example, but it seemed to me all the ‘normal’ types got the job. I flew recently with a guy who’d previously been on the Delta interview team. He had some great stories. One common theme was that most of us aren’t as good at interviewing as we’d like to think. He was a fan of interview prep and said he could usually tell those that used it.
09-10-2021, 05:19 AM
#493
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I had the invite within 24 hours. I know a few others who waited a few days. No idea why.
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09-10-2021, 06:52 AM
#495
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I had a bunch of civilian time and had a regular logbook, so it was a non-issue. But there were several guys hired the same day as me who only had their Air Force flight records with them. Most just made an extra printout of the page with the totals and also pages with the last years worth of flying time. They didn't seem to have a problem, but this was 2014, so it may have changed. Sounds like this guy may have had other issues.
09-10-2021, 08:38 AM
#497
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Position: I fly airplanes
Posts: 73
Got the invite for the assessment a few weeks back and took it after a few days of practicing the CUT-E tests. Concur with what has been said about the assessment tests themselves being a little easier than the CUT-E tests (except the sudoku and dot counting… those both suck), and the listening comp portion of the ATC clips. For the personality questions just answered honestly and tried to be consistent. Unfortunately I got the TBNT email two days later telling me I was not successful in the assessment, and am eligible to try again in six months. Don’t know for sure but I think it’s the personality questions that tripped me up, as the rest of the assessment I felt pretty good about. Maybe I subconsciously was overthinking it or something… dunno! Best of luck to those taking the assessment, and congrats to those who got the call for the interview. No matter what happens, keep your chins up and keep plugging along - nothing worthwhile in life comes easy, and hopefully I’ll be seeing y’all in six months!
09-10-2021, 08:39 AM
#498
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
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Gents,
New guy here. I apologize if this have been covered with the new hiring changes. If so I will go back in hiding and do 'more betterer' searching. Just looking for a few bump steers. I don't know what I don't know!
Few questions in one here. I wanted to get your thoughts on the removal of the Unrestricted ATP requirement being removed from the hiring letter. It now just says commercial / instrument rating with "all aernouatical experience requirments for an ATP." All in accordance with the 61.159. Obviously, it was removed for a reason and I have some buddies telling me DAL doesn't seem to care that much "if you dropped some cash to go pretend to fly a light twin." Allegedly...
Is it worth it to go pay the couple thousand bucks to check the container? Someone said it brilliantly earlier and recommended don't cut corners for this opportunity. I am leaning on going to knock it because of my flight time is on the low end. I have been asking some buddies currently with the company. However, there seems to be two schools of thought. I am leaning on the second.
1. Seniority is everything, get your app in NOW with 1450 hours and no ATP
-philosophy is that by the time they call, you'll be good
-Submit my civilian logbook numbers (which I add .3 to every flight IAW FAR regs for taxi time. That puts me over 1700 and all unrestricted ATP mins met)
-If interviewed make sure my military time matches my logs (which it does. The local FSDO advised me how to log the time on a single line entry and said when I do check ride he will give unrestricted ATP based off the taxi time).
2. Be patient, wait until 1500 exactly and submit AND beef up the stats in the meantime.
Stats:
-1450 total time (no multiplier / 1100ish fighter PIC / 200 IP hours) all other ATP mins met but the magic 1500
-CPT Course complete
-Written complete
My plan is to wait. I am afraid to get screened by HR submitting now since I don't have unrestricted ATP mins met. And if I do put my civ logbook numbers in, it could get a little weird if I get a call sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, knock out:
-CFI mil comp test +rating (since I'd never pass an 8 hour CFI oral exam)
-ATP check ride
-Military FCF upgrade and SEFE upgrade
-EC prep
-Far rocks = red tie (already have a blue suit...boom)
I know a lot of this is subjective, but the last thing I want to do is burn a bridge with the company by rushing it. I know guys who have used their civilian log numbers like this with success, but I don't want it to be perceived as sketchy.
Thanks for any input!
New guy here. I apologize if this have been covered with the new hiring changes. If so I will go back in hiding and do 'more betterer' searching. Just looking for a few bump steers. I don't know what I don't know!
Few questions in one here. I wanted to get your thoughts on the removal of the Unrestricted ATP requirement being removed from the hiring letter. It now just says commercial / instrument rating with "all aernouatical experience requirments for an ATP." All in accordance with the 61.159. Obviously, it was removed for a reason and I have some buddies telling me DAL doesn't seem to care that much "if you dropped some cash to go pretend to fly a light twin." Allegedly...
Is it worth it to go pay the couple thousand bucks to check the container? Someone said it brilliantly earlier and recommended don't cut corners for this opportunity. I am leaning on going to knock it because of my flight time is on the low end. I have been asking some buddies currently with the company. However, there seems to be two schools of thought. I am leaning on the second.
1. Seniority is everything, get your app in NOW with 1450 hours and no ATP
-philosophy is that by the time they call, you'll be good
-Submit my civilian logbook numbers (which I add .3 to every flight IAW FAR regs for taxi time. That puts me over 1700 and all unrestricted ATP mins met)
-If interviewed make sure my military time matches my logs (which it does. The local FSDO advised me how to log the time on a single line entry and said when I do check ride he will give unrestricted ATP based off the taxi time).
2. Be patient, wait until 1500 exactly and submit AND beef up the stats in the meantime.
Stats:
-1450 total time (no multiplier / 1100ish fighter PIC / 200 IP hours) all other ATP mins met but the magic 1500
-CPT Course complete
-Written complete
My plan is to wait. I am afraid to get screened by HR submitting now since I don't have unrestricted ATP mins met. And if I do put my civ logbook numbers in, it could get a little weird if I get a call sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, knock out:
-CFI mil comp test +rating (since I'd never pass an 8 hour CFI oral exam)
-ATP check ride
-Military FCF upgrade and SEFE upgrade
-EC prep
-Far rocks = red tie (already have a blue suit...boom)
I know a lot of this is subjective, but the last thing I want to do is burn a bridge with the company by rushing it. I know guys who have used their civilian log numbers like this with success, but I don't want it to be perceived as sketchy.
Thanks for any input!
Basically, they have some internal app score minimum, and if an app scores less than that minimum (meaning no interview call), the app gets set aside for 12 months and will not be looked at early for any reason until the 12 months is up (so adding a silver bullet during that 12 months would just be wasted).
The problem is, you don’t know when they would score your app, you don’t know what the minimum score is (because it probably changes depending on many factors) and you don’t know what your app score will be. You also won’t know when they put you on that 12 month cooling off period. All of that stuff is invisible to the applicant, so you have no SA on where your app sits unless and until they call you in for an interview.
I hesitate to give you any advice, but personally speaking, I chose to hold onto my app and NOT publish it until I had every box checked that I possibly could. I finished my time in the mil, checked every box on the app that I could, and quadruple checked my app for errors (and had it reviewed professionally) before I hit submit.
I had low total time (just over 1500 total time, mil + civ) though so I wanted to make sure I had as many other points as I could. I declined to add any conversion to my hours, so all my mil time was as logged (not saying that’s the right way, just what I chose to do).
The reason I hesitate to give you advice is because I don’t know how much weight that unrestricted ATP box carries.
09-10-2021, 05:02 PM
#499
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Didn’t see any other responses to this, so I figured I’d try to add something for you. I was a mil guy who went through Delta’s ATP-CTP course, and they broke the app scoring process down for us.
Basically, they have some internal app score minimum, and if an app scores less than that minimum (meaning no interview call), the app gets set aside for 12 months and will not be looked at early for any reason until the 12 months is up (so adding a silver bullet during that 12 months would just be wasted).
The problem is, you don’t know when they would score your app, you don’t know what the minimum score is (because it probably changes depending on many factors) and you don’t know what your app score will be. You also won’t know when they put you on that 12 month cooling off period. All of that stuff is invisible to the applicant, so you have no SA on where your app sits unless and until they call you in for an interview.
I hesitate to give you any advice, but personally speaking, I chose to hold onto my app and NOT publish it until I had every box checked that I possibly could. I finished my time in the mil, checked every box on the app that I could, and quadruple checked my app for errors (and had it reviewed professionally) before I hit submit.
I had low total time (just over 1500 total time, mil + civ) though so I wanted to make sure I had as many other points as I could. I declined to add any conversion to my hours, so all my mil time was as logged (not saying that’s the right way, just what I chose to do).
The reason I hesitate to give you advice is because I don’t know how much weight that unrestricted ATP box carries.
Basically, they have some internal app score minimum, and if an app scores less than that minimum (meaning no interview call), the app gets set aside for 12 months and will not be looked at early for any reason until the 12 months is up (so adding a silver bullet during that 12 months would just be wasted).
The problem is, you don’t know when they would score your app, you don’t know what the minimum score is (because it probably changes depending on many factors) and you don’t know what your app score will be. You also won’t know when they put you on that 12 month cooling off period. All of that stuff is invisible to the applicant, so you have no SA on where your app sits unless and until they call you in for an interview.
I hesitate to give you any advice, but personally speaking, I chose to hold onto my app and NOT publish it until I had every box checked that I possibly could. I finished my time in the mil, checked every box on the app that I could, and quadruple checked my app for errors (and had it reviewed professionally) before I hit submit.
I had low total time (just over 1500 total time, mil + civ) though so I wanted to make sure I had as many other points as I could. I declined to add any conversion to my hours, so all my mil time was as logged (not saying that’s the right way, just what I chose to do).
The reason I hesitate to give you advice is because I don’t know how much weight that unrestricted ATP box carries.
Sample size of 1, but….
I am in the OP’s shoes. 1700 hours, all mil fighter time. Checked most every square that gives you points from the mil side (SEFE, Chief of Safety, etc). Did professional app review, told I had a very competitive App. Published 5 weeks ago with 4 internals, including CTP. Still crickets.
The only thing not done is my ATM checkride, which is scheduled in a couple weeks.
I assumed the above was true, but reached out to the recruiting Dept on FB messenger. Super helpful. They explained it like this:
Once your app is tagged with an internal rec, it receives an updated score. That score doesn’t change unless you add things like hours, type ratings, etc that effect the normal algorithms. When they go to invite for the test, they just pull the top scores off the stack.
The CTP guys also said that Delta doesn’t care about your light twin ATM checkride, but that was before the process overhaul. I’m hoping that the reason I haven’t gotten a call yet is bc that checkride now carries a bit more weight, and once I get it done it will boost my score enough to get a call.
Or I could be just like the other 4K hopefuls who never hear back. Time will tell.
09-11-2021, 12:16 PM
#500
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
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