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Old 01-15-2024, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
but they have less time left than the most junior person in the class ahead of them. It’s just as arbitrary to make class dates a week apart inviolable but honor age above everything else.
That's not arbitrary either. Hire date is seniority, so obviously dates a week apart are set in stone. People that start on the same day must be sorted in some other fashion, that's a law of nature. Drawing straws, flipping coins, portions of SSNs, those have no basis other than random selection, age does not.
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Old 01-15-2024, 09:33 AM
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That's not arbitrary either. Hire date is seniority, so obviously dates a week apart are set in stone. People that start on the same day must be sorted in some other fashion, that's a law of nature. Drawing straws, flipping coins, portions of SSNs, those have no basis other than random selection, age does not.
I guess I’m still failing to see how a random process is a bad thing that needs changing
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:06 AM
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I guess I’m still failing to see how a random process is a bad thing that needs changing
It doesn’t NEED changing as obviously we’ve done quite fine this way for years. It is just more interesting to note that we are different than nearly every other carrier in the US, because of reasons…
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:09 AM
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I guess I’m still failing to see how a random process is a bad thing that needs changing
Its not the biggest issue by any means and no one is claimig it is. Its certainlly not worth "opening up the contract" or whatever.

But I would support a future change to age within a new hire class because that is more fair to older pilots within a class. The myth of "age related lawsuits" is a nothingburger.

There is nothing inherently unfair about a 23 year old ninja with a 9999 last 4 being the plug within a class while the 61 year old flow with a 0001 number gets that one little advantage one time. Its actually more fair because the ninja will have decades more long after the older ones are gone. They don't need a few more numbers right out the gate.
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:14 AM
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This discussion is silly. Nothing is going to change, nor should it.
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:17 AM
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This discussion is silly. Nothing is going to change, nor should it.
It should change. And it just might change. And its not silly as it makes sense for it to change.
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:20 AM
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It should change. And it just might change. And its not silly as it makes sense for it to change.
why should it change? Randomization works fine and is agnostic to who comes through the door
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:25 AM
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Youngest should be first, good on them for getting to their career gig so fast.
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:28 AM
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It should change. And it just might change. And its not silly as it makes sense for it to change.
Insert should and shall arguement here. Should implies an opinion and right because... reasons. You haven't given any good reasons.
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Old 01-15-2024, 11:30 AM
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Insert should and shall arguement here. Should implies an opinion and right because... reasons. You haven't given any good reasons.
I think we should go by interview knowledge test score. Best applicant goes to the top
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