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Old 12-01-2021, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadStick
I respectfully disagree on not tabbing the logbooks. It’s quick and easy to do, and helps to visually present your career progression in a more evident and linear way to the interviewers. Plus, it may prevent them from asking questions if they can’t find or figure out something.

I think I had green tabs for check rides, yellow for a failure, and blue for each time I changed aircraft type. Sort of the “chapters” of my career. Used a cheap label maker to title the tabs as my hand writing is awful. Not that any of this is required or necessary.

But yeah, they’re normal people and want to hire you!

I disagree with your disagree.

Unless the instructions specifically tell you to tab, create a cover sheet, etc. then don’t do it! Consider it an exercise of “can he/she follow instructions”.

If they tell you to tab, then by all means do it…but they already know your flying history. It’s on your application! Strictly follow the instructions. Can’t stress that enough.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
I disagree with your disagree.

Unless the instructions specifically tell you to tab, create a cover sheet, etc. then don’t do it! Consider it an exercise of “can he/she follow instructions”.

If they tell you to tab, then by all means do it…but they already know your flying history. It’s on your application! Strictly follow the instructions. Can’t stress that enough.
I agree with the following of directions. I can’t tell you how many times I looked over the email making sure what I had was EXACTLY what they were asking for.

However, I do also believe in best practices. Also techniques. I have no idea what the panel or board does with the logbooks, or why they even require them if it’s on your application. What I do know is if I put myself in the interviewers shoes and tabs have made it easier to find what I may be looking for, I would appreciate that candidates forward thinking. Personally I also think it shows organization and forward thinking. I don’t believe not tabbing your logbook will keep you from a CJO, but I also don’t think tabbing it will create a taboo that DAL thinks I can’t follow instructions. Tab, don’t tab, whatever makes you personally feel better on D-Day.

It’s pretty easy to say don’t do things for a job you already have.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
I disagree with your disagree.

Unless the instructions specifically tell you to tab, create a cover sheet, etc. then don’t do it! Consider it an exercise of “can he/she follow instructions”.

If they tell you to tab, then by all means do it…but they already know your flying history. It’s on your application! Strictly follow the instructions. Can’t stress that enough.
the instructions don’t tell you to bring your documents in a respectable bag instead of a plastic sack, to shave your face, or wear nice shoes. But people do. Being organized with tabs is never going to be to your detriment.

sincerely, tabbed up and hired.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by StickPig
I agree with the following of directions. I can’t tell you how many times I looked over the email making sure what I had was EXACTLY what they were asking for.

However, I do also believe in best practices. Also techniques. I have no idea what the panel or board does with the logbooks, or why they even require them if it’s on your application. What I do know is if I put myself in the interviewers shoes and tabs have made it easier to find what I may be looking for, I would appreciate that candidates forward thinking. Personally I also think it shows organization and forward thinking. I don’t believe not tabbing your logbook will keep you from a CJO, but I also don’t think tabbing it will create a taboo that DAL thinks I can’t follow instructions. Tab, don’t tab, whatever makes you personally feel better on D-Day.

It’s pretty easy to say don’t do things for a job you already have.
I think both sides are mostly correct. Yes, it's not required or else they would have told you to do it. I'm sure if done properly it saves them a few seconds of looking for something. And tabbing or not tabbing has no bearing on your CJO.

The real question is does the logbook review that the hiring team does apply any amount of score to your overall interview, or is it simply a process to verify and validate your application? Without that answer we're all kind of shooting in the wind.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
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The real question is does the logbook review that the hiring team does apply any amount of score to your overall interview, or is it simply a process to verify and validate your application? Without that answer we're all kind of shooting in the wind.
For what it’s worth, my logbook review spurred discussion (in a good way) in the panel portion. This was many years ago, though.
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Old 12-01-2021, 08:58 AM
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Interviewed on 11/23 and received the CJO! But shortly after I received the PARB email. Had to take the MMPI twice (don't know if that hurts my odds). The whole thing has put a damper on the celebrations. HR interview went amazing! Had them laughing and had great conversation the whole time. They genuinely were very pleased to have me there. Psych evaluation went well too. Guess my hope is they look at the ENTIRE picture of my profile. No checkride failures, no DUIs or criminal history (just one speeding ticket), 4000 plus hours of flight time with no incidents and I had plenty of great TMAAT stories. The wait for the PARB is rough.
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Old 12-01-2021, 10:14 AM
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Interviewed on 11/23 and received the CJO! But shortly after I received the PARB email. Had to take the MMPI twice (don't know if that hurts my odds). The whole thing has put a damper on the celebrations. HR interview went amazing! Had them laughing and had great conversation the whole time. They genuinely were very pleased to have me there. Psych evaluation went well too. Guess my hope is they look at the ENTIRE picture of my profile. No checkride failures, no DUIs or criminal history (just one speeding ticket), 4000 plus hours of flight time with no incidents and I had plenty of great TMAAT stories. The wait for the PARB is rough.
I’ve heard the PARB is a pretty high pass rate. Keep your chin up. Buddy of mine had the same thing happen recent. Took about two weeks but he got the thumbs email.
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Old 12-01-2021, 04:16 PM
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I just took the assessment. The only thing that took me by surprise was how noisy the ATC samples were. The accents weren't too bad but I could barely hear the samples over all the static. Did anybody else experience that? Either something is wrong with my computer or they purposely distorted the sound files to make them difficult to hear.
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Old 12-01-2021, 07:14 PM
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I just took the assessment. The only thing that took me by surprise was how noisy the ATC samples were. The accents weren't too bad but I could barely hear the samples over all the static. Did anybody else experience that? Either something is wrong with my computer or they purposely distorted the sound files to make them difficult to hear.
They weren't the best quality and maybe that was on purpose. After the example I turned my speakers way up and made sure to listen to each the allotted three times to verify what I wrote down.
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Old 12-01-2021, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by StickPig
It’s pretty easy to say don’t do things for a job you already have.
It’s easy when you know a retired captain who sat in on hiring panels up until recently.

I’m not saying it’s going to make or break anyone. Do what makes you comfortable. But BL is it’s not needed, and could open you up to conversations on topics maybe you don’t necessarily want to highlight.

What he has told me and what I relay to guys I give recs to, is do exactly what the instructions say, as he (and apparently others) look for that.

So far it’s worked for the 10 or so guys I’ve given recs to…all have been hired. Did it have anything to do with tabs vs no tabs? Probably not.

However, I’ll say it again for those casually reading…follow the instructions given. That’s the main point to drive home.

Signed, not tabbed and hired.
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