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Old 10-21-2021, 06:50 AM
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Did next weeks class get their options yet?


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Old 10-21-2021, 07:01 AM
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did next weeks class get their options yet?


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Old 10-21-2021, 08:18 AM
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So, EDV pilots are given seniority dates while still working at Endeavor? So people that as a military pilot, you can show up to class and potentially have dozens of pilots that are not even on property yet that are senior to you?

That's pretty messed up.
It's not messed up, it's part of the contract. It was the same way with Compass. They were almost always held back and bid with their original seniority.

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Old 10-21-2021, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
So, EDV pilots are given seniority dates while still working at Endeavor? So people that as a military pilot, you can show up to class and potentially have dozens of pilots that are not even on property yet that are senior to you?

That's pretty messed up.
not messed up in the slightest, they had a class date, delta held them back from it. why should they have to suffer because delta decides to hold them back from the class they were supposed to be in.
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Old 10-21-2021, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by flyinfresh
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Old 10-21-2021, 08:39 AM
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not messed up in the slightest, they had a class date, delta held them back from it. why should they have to suffer because delta decides to hold them back from the class they were supposed to be in.
I wonder if any other businesses (or aviation-related government agencies) would like that deal? I imagine some of the employees would.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:06 AM
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I wonder if any other businesses (or aviation-related government agencies) would like that deal? I imagine some of the employees would.
not sure what you are alluding to? Are you talking about mil leave? Or am I off completely?

it was part of the deal struck for the flow, I don’t like the fact they were able to transfer the flow to bring back the RJs, but I don’t see a problem with this aspect of it.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
It's not messed up, it's part of the contract. It was the same way with Compass. They were almost always held back and bid with their original seniority.

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I'm surprised they actually emulated the old Compass holdover policy. The purpose of it then was to protect Compass from shutting down from losing too many pilots too fast whenever hiring started up at an unknown time in the future so they could catch up to their training and hiring. It was supposed to be a temporary stop gap so they could get ahead of the curve, but instead they simply planned on it to keep staffing at bare bones and let DL eat 3 months of lost first year pay on that side of the ledger. Compass was tiny compared to EDV (about one fifth the size of EDV today) so it kind of made sense there as a temporary provision. How it came to be a permanant feature at an airline 5 times its size just goes to show how desperate regionals are to "optimize" staffing down to the penny. Why DL doesn't force them to hire a few dozen extra pilots one time to get ahead of the well known curve is baffling.
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Old 10-21-2021, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
I'm surprised they actually emulated the old Compass holdover policy. The purpose of it then was to protect Compass from shutting down from losing too many pilots too fast whenever hiring started up at an unknown time in the future so they could catch up to their training and hiring. It was supposed to be a temporary stop gap so they could get ahead of the curve, but instead they simply planned on it to keep staffing at bare bones and let DL eat 3 months of lost first year pay on that side of the ledger. Compass was tiny compared to EDV (about one fifth the size of EDV today) so it kind of made sense there as a temporary provision. How it came to be a permanant feature at an airline 5 times its size just goes to show how desperate regionals are to "optimize" staffing down to the penny. Why DL doesn't force them to hire a few dozen extra pilots one time to get ahead of the well known curve is baffling.
I believe EDV is hiring as much as they can, with DL, UA, AA all hiring 150+ a month for the foreseeable future, it may just be a sim capacity limitation and this is the least disruptive way to deal with it.
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Old 10-21-2021, 10:22 AM
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I know it’s been discussed but…is the 717 a good place for fast seniority progression? It sounds like the work is a grind but does that lead to high monthly credit or more days off?

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