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Old 06-02-2024, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
I get what you are saying, I do. But I respectfully disagree. The only pay band here is WB. The fact that less than a few dollars/hour separate rates within the same category, beliesan attitude by the company to take every place where they can. And the fact the 767-300 pays a NB rate is my closing argument.

I am unwilling to let the company off the hook by even lightheartedly talking about us having pay bands. Maybe next contract.

Oh come on man, we totally have banding.

Group 1: EMB190/CRJ900
Group 1.5: EMB195
Group 2: 717
Group 2.5: A221
Group 2.69: A223
Group 3: A319/320 & 738/738
Group 3.5: A321/739
Group 3.69: A321N/757/763
Group 4: All the rest of our WBs.
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Old 06-02-2024, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Oh come on man, we totalling have banding.

Group 1: EMB190/CRJ900
Group 1.5: EMB195
Group 2: 717
Group 2.5: A221
Group 2.69: A223
Group 3: A319/320 & 738/738
Group 3.5: A321/739
Group 3.69: A321N/757/763
Group 4: All the rest of our WBs.
Lol, well played…. I stand corrected. 😂
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Old 06-02-2024, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
And the fact the 767-300 pays a NB rate is my closing argument.
For the record, I agree the 767 should be WB pay. That said, it irks me every time I hear this line, this is only true because NEO payrates got increased to match the 757, which should be a good thing!

Anytime I hear a ER captain complain about getting NB rates, its a bit disenguous because then the real issue should be that the 757 and 767 pay the same. I'll admit i'm oblivious to any background on why they're the same rate.
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Old 06-02-2024, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Podrick
For the record, I agree the 767 should be WB pay. That said, it irks me every time I hear this line, this is only true because NEO payrates got increased to match the 757, which should be a good thing!
While we are at it, 767-300 should be WB pay, and since the 757-300 carries more people than the ER, band it up too!

And I’m only slightly joking. ER should be banded up yesterday. International pilots at a discount.
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Old 06-02-2024, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
While we are at it, 767-300 should be WB pay, and since the 757-300 carries more people than the ER, band it up too!

And I’m only slightly joking. ER should be banded up yesterday. International pilots at a discount.
Since the 763 is going away by the end of the decade-ish, I doubt any negotiating capital will be used on this.

That said, every 763 that is replaced gets replaced with a WB pay banded airframe, and top pay jobs
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Old 06-02-2024, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Since the 763 is going away by the end of the decade-ish, I doubt any negotiating capital will be used on this.

That said, every 763 that is replaced gets replaced with a WB pay banded airframe, and top pay jobs
I understand the why, just don’t necessarily agree.
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Old 06-02-2024, 05:13 PM
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I understand the why, just don’t necessarily agree.
Fair enough.
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Old 06-02-2024, 06:56 PM
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I love everything you guys talk about. I honestly do. It's a great learning opportunity.

But it's especially entertaining how quickly the discussion goes off topic.
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Old 06-03-2024, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Since the 763 is going away by the end of the decade-ish, I doubt any negotiating capital will be used on this.

That said, every 763 that is replaced gets replaced with a WB pay banded airframe, and top pay jobs
Does it? 321 NEO and what would have been/will
be MAX 10s will replace a portion of the 7ER fleet. Including the 763s. The ultimate question is will we have more net widebody PAYING jets in 5 years than 5 years ago. My guess it will be a wash with no overall gain.
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Old 06-03-2024, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Does it? 321 NEO and what would have been/will
be MAX 10s will replace a portion of the 7ER fleet. Including the 763s. The ultimate question is will we have more net widebody PAYING jets in 5 years than 5 years ago. My guess it will be a wash with no overall gain.
Considering we have more wide body “paying” jets now in the fleet than we did in 2019, I’ll take that bet.
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