New Hire Class Drops
10-07-2021, 03:20 PM
#493
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 49
probably on the first or second AE after you are hired. July had unfilled spots on both 320 and 73N out there, I’m guessing October will as well.
Problem is they run AEs whenever they feel like and it sounds like this will most likely be the last one until Q1 of 2022. And once you are actually awarded your new position they have 7 months (or In some cases a full year) to actually convert you to your new category.
I know this is a vague response but it’s the best info I have
Problem is they run AEs whenever they feel like and it sounds like this will most likely be the last one until Q1 of 2022. And once you are actually awarded your new position they have 7 months (or In some cases a full year) to actually convert you to your new category.
I know this is a vague response but it’s the best info I have
10-07-2021, 03:33 PM
#495
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,636
oh agreed, I was just giving a reason why NH ER slots probably dried up, because they already awarded most of them. They can’t use any unfilled spots from the October AE until the 19th class at the earliest (assuming they have the award out by the 18th)
10-07-2021, 04:36 PM
#497
Has a furrowed brow
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,201
As a recent new hire bidder who lives in ATL who could have held ATL717 and NYC320, 7ER, 73N I can tell you why I chose an NYC category:
1) Year one pay is the same, but year two pay is an extra $1000 per month just at min guarantee.
2) With the company wanting to pack 2000 people in behind me in very short order, there’s no way I won’t have the chance to bid to ATL very soon.
3). No doubt there’s plenty of 1 hour legs and 4 leg days (some fivers too) in the 73N bid pack, but there is absolutely zero transcon and island flying in the 717 bid pack.
4) 320 and 73N are growing. 717 is less than growing in the bigger picture.
So people who are saying you should get paid a minimum of $1000 less a month in a category with no growth and no west coast flying or island all-inclusives just for a few months (or maybe even less) of not positive space commuting to NYC and to go to another IQ in two years to get those things back, to me, are being a bit myopic.
Still though, 717 is going senior in Indoc just because ATL. I think it’s not a great choice unless you just want to fly the 717 which is A-OK.
1) Year one pay is the same, but year two pay is an extra $1000 per month just at min guarantee.
2) With the company wanting to pack 2000 people in behind me in very short order, there’s no way I won’t have the chance to bid to ATL very soon.
3). No doubt there’s plenty of 1 hour legs and 4 leg days (some fivers too) in the 73N bid pack, but there is absolutely zero transcon and island flying in the 717 bid pack.
4) 320 and 73N are growing. 717 is less than growing in the bigger picture.
So people who are saying you should get paid a minimum of $1000 less a month in a category with no growth and no west coast flying or island all-inclusives just for a few months (or maybe even less) of not positive space commuting to NYC and to go to another IQ in two years to get those things back, to me, are being a bit myopic.
Still though, 717 is going senior in Indoc just because ATL. I think it’s not a great choice unless you just want to fly the 717 which is A-OK.
Glad all your vast experience at Delta is being put to good use, and you’ve determined the 717 isn’t a great choice.
Couple notes on your assumptions.
Don’t assume anything. Just because you think you should be able to bid to the base you want, doesn’t mean you will for certain. Learn the phrase “we didn’t think they would do that”. Lots of guys assumed when they bid to the 320 that they’d be Boston based by now. A lot of 220 guys in SLC thought they’d have much better seniority in the long term until SEA opened.
The 73N bid packet is arguably worse or equivalent to the 717. All the NB fleets are picking up the old maddog routes (By my quick glance, didn’t look at the 320). You think all those sweet transcons and resort all inclusive are going to drop to your level of seniority? Another rule to learn…don’t bid aircraft based on layovers.
320 is obviously growing. 737 is getting a few extra “gently used” aircraft. JL just said that the 717 is going to be around a lot longer than some people think (and it’s consolidating to mostly ATL, much bigger than it was pre covid when there was a MSP and NYC, in addition to DTW and ATL).
If you live in ATL, you’ll be spending that 1K on a crash pad, taxis, hotels, metro passes, etc. Add up the additional time away from home…there’s a lot more to consider than “an extra 1,000”. Much cheaper to be an ATL commuter than an NYC commuter.
There’s a reason it’s going senior and guys are taking the bird in the hand, knowing they will be in ATL. (If that’s what they want) Plus, lots of extra pilots means lots of extra reserves available, which means more pay to do less.
Bottom line, be careful about the “blind leading the blind”. I don’t think you’re being nefarious in giving your advice, but there’s so much abnormal stuff going on with regards to our still open AEs, I wouldn’t assume anything.
10-07-2021, 04:57 PM
#498
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,836
Another secret benefit of the 717 over the Airbus or 737 - absolutely zero redeyes. As a junior reserve or junior lineholder on the 73/bus you'll be seeing a lot of redeyes. And not just the ones where it's the last leg of the trip on day 4, but also mid-rotation redeyes with daytime rest and crazy-stupid body clock flipping. And aside from that all your flying on the 717 is going to be inside of 2 time zones max.
10-07-2021, 05:10 PM
#499
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,235
Glad all your vast experience at Delta is being put to good use, and you’ve determined the 717 isn’t a great choice.
Couple notes on your assumptions.
Don’t assume anything. Just because you think you should be able to bid to the base you want, doesn’t mean you will for certain. Learn the phrase “we didn’t think they would do that”. Lots of guys assumed when they bid to the 320 that they’d be Boston based by now. A lot of 220 guys in SLC thought they’d have much better seniority in the long term until SEA opened.
The 73N bid packet is arguably worse or equivalent to the 717. All the NB fleets are picking up the old maddog routes (By my quick glance, didn’t look at the 320). You think all those sweet transcons and resort all inclusive are going to drop to your level of seniority? Another rule to learn…don’t bid aircraft based on layovers.
320 is obviously growing. 737 is getting a few extra “gently used” aircraft. JL just said that the 717 is going to be around a lot longer than some people think (and it’s consolidating to mostly ATL, much bigger than it was pre covid when there was a MSP and NYC, in addition to DTW and ATL).
If you live in ATL, you’ll be spending that 1K on a crash pad, taxis, hotels, metro passes, etc. Add up the additional time away from home…there’s a lot more to consider than “an extra 1,000”. Much cheaper to be an ATL commuter than an NYC commuter.
There’s a reason it’s going senior and guys are taking the bird in the hand, knowing they will be in ATL. (If that’s what they want) Plus, lots of extra pilots means lots of extra reserves available, which means more pay to do less.
Bottom line, be careful about the “blind leading the blind”. I don’t think you’re being nefarious in giving your advice, but there’s so much abnormal stuff going on with regards to our still open AEs, I wouldn’t assume anything.
Couple notes on your assumptions.
Don’t assume anything. Just because you think you should be able to bid to the base you want, doesn’t mean you will for certain. Learn the phrase “we didn’t think they would do that”. Lots of guys assumed when they bid to the 320 that they’d be Boston based by now. A lot of 220 guys in SLC thought they’d have much better seniority in the long term until SEA opened.
The 73N bid packet is arguably worse or equivalent to the 717. All the NB fleets are picking up the old maddog routes (By my quick glance, didn’t look at the 320). You think all those sweet transcons and resort all inclusive are going to drop to your level of seniority? Another rule to learn…don’t bid aircraft based on layovers.
320 is obviously growing. 737 is getting a few extra “gently used” aircraft. JL just said that the 717 is going to be around a lot longer than some people think (and it’s consolidating to mostly ATL, much bigger than it was pre covid when there was a MSP and NYC, in addition to DTW and ATL).
If you live in ATL, you’ll be spending that 1K on a crash pad, taxis, hotels, metro passes, etc. Add up the additional time away from home…there’s a lot more to consider than “an extra 1,000”. Much cheaper to be an ATL commuter than an NYC commuter.
There’s a reason it’s going senior and guys are taking the bird in the hand, knowing they will be in ATL. (If that’s what they want) Plus, lots of extra pilots means lots of extra reserves available, which means more pay to do less.
Bottom line, be careful about the “blind leading the blind”. I don’t think you’re being nefarious in giving your advice, but there’s so much abnormal stuff going on with regards to our still open AEs, I wouldn’t assume anything.
10-07-2021, 05:16 PM
#500
Has a furrowed brow
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,201
I would disagree with your dollar amount you say for costs per month. Especially since long call from home is completely doable if you live in ATL for NYC. I mean, everyone has their lifestyle choices, but I commuted to NY for a time and never came close to spending that.
I never said it would cost $1K to commute. I also commuted to NY for a time. I only said that there’s additional costs he wasn’t considering. Narrows that 1k gap quick.
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