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Old 04-04-2023, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Now that the 717 is the low paying, red headed stepchild at Delta, they are probably anticipating guys bidding off on the next AE. Plus, aren't they bringing all the 717s out of storage?
everyone senior to me on the jet please leave. Lol. I like blocking 14 hours on a 5 day trip.
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Old 04-04-2023, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
Now that the 717 is the low paying, red headed stepchild at Delta, they are probably anticipating guys bidding off on the next AE. Plus, aren't they bringing all the 717s out of storage?
Last 717 standards update mentioned that the final number will be 88.

65 in service now.
10 to be reactivated by the end of May.
Remaining 13 by the end of the year.

Each overhaul takes between 45 - 60 days.
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Old 04-04-2023, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by akscott60
everyone senior to me on the jet please leave. Lol. I like blocking 14 hours on a 5 day trip.

ssshhhhhh don’t let the secret out.
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Old 04-04-2023, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Burt Reynolds
Last 717 standards update mentioned that the final number will be 88.

65 in service now.
10 to be reactivated by the end of May.
Remaining 13 by the end of the year.

Each overhaul takes between 45 - 60 days.
Excellent news.
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Old 04-04-2023, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by akscott60
Excellent news.
Agreed. That's better than I expected.
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Old 04-05-2023, 03:26 AM
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Slightly off topic, but what is the Command Upgrade time at Delta right now? Heard its 1 year at UA.
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Old 04-05-2023, 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HowsTheRide
Slightly off topic, but what is the Command Upgrade time at Delta right now? Heard its 1 year at UA.
If you mean captain upgrade it's well under a year. ATL 757/767 is going super junior.
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Old 04-05-2023, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HowsTheRide
Slightly off topic, but what is the Command Upgrade time at Delta right now? Heard its 1 year at UA.
The last AE saw about 4 months to hold the left seat of the 7ER (Delta speak for 75/76) in NYC. That was the most junior upgrade I think and will come with some opportunities to do trans-Atlantic Europe and Africa flying.

Some think that the new contract will push people to want to upgrade and it will trend more senior. I personally disagree just based anecdotally on talking to many pilots out on the line. Mid seniority FOs are making great money (as much as a junior narrowbody CA in some cases) and they have way more schedule flexibility plus weekends and some holidays off if they want them. Junior FOs are already junior. So looking at a 4-6 month upgrade doesn’t change much from their perspective and they haven’t had the opportunity to get a taste of the great QOL a mid-seniority/senior narrowbody FO has.

I could be wrong, but I don’t see the narrowbody upgrades going more senior until the music slows with hiring and/or the economy starts to take a toll on business and the greenslips start to dry up. This next AE will be telling.
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Old 04-05-2023, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HowsTheRide
Slightly off topic, but what is the Command Upgrade time at Delta right now? Heard its 1 year at UA.
It’s 1 year at UA because you have to be off probation to upgrade (minimum of 1 year). (So, off probation and have 500 hours at United is the rule.)
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Old 04-05-2023, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The last AE saw about 4 months to hold the left seat of the 7ER (Delta speak for 75/76) in NYC. That was the most junior upgrade I think and will come with some opportunities to do trans-Atlantic Europe and Africa flying.

Some think that the new contract will push people to want to upgrade and it will trend more senior. I personally disagree just based anecdotally on talking to many pilots out on the line. Mid seniority FOs are making great money (as much as a junior narrowbody CA in some cases) and they have way more schedule flexibility plus weekends and some holidays off if they want them. Junior FOs are already junior. So looking at a 4-6 month upgrade doesn’t change much from their perspective and they haven’t had the opportunity to get a taste of the great QOL a mid-seniority/senior narrowbody FO has.

I could be wrong, but I don’t see the narrowbody upgrades going more senior until the music slows with hiring and/or the economy starts to take a toll on business and the greenslips start to dry up. This next AE will be telling.
I think more quickly stated too, once the Green Slip Bonanza stops (if it does), then upgrades will return to more normal.
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