Podrick

Gonna have to disagree with you on that, It addresses just about everything you mentioned..

YouHateToSeeIt

I would honestly love to hear how you feel it addresses “just about everything”…WITHOUT mentioning money.

“We’ll pay you a little more when we do _______” is not actually addressing it.

So with that in mind…I’d love your response. I’m 100% open to being wrong.

FangsF15

The TA disincentivizes the company from doing all those things, through various means. Or, outright prohibits it.

Podrick

So you admit it’s addressed, you just don’t like how it’s being addressed. Which is totally fine, but two completely different things. Just pointing that out for those on the outside looking in, since this is a thread for new hires.

Whoopsmybad

Well, for starters the reroute rules. They pay you more, and when you touch base, you go back to your awarded schedule or they send you home PAY PROTECTED. This includes reserves, and gives them a choice to stay on or get released.
Percentages of trips that have to be shorter. (Edit: excluding summer months and small BES).
No multiple sub 12 hour layovers in a row, I had many last summer (one specific 5 day with 2 sub 12, a sub 11, and a sub 13).
Protections if you are rerouted past your release time for commuters to get home or a hotel if you can’t that night.
And since you said don’t just use $$ I Will not go into (much) the new sit rigs, the 0000-0200 carve out, the reserve into line holder month carve out (edit: this isn’t about money put it in the wrong spot) and all that.

It does not fix everything. Not even close. But to say they did nothing makes you sound like you are grinding an axe.

YouHateToSeeIt

Ok, so then nothing I said in my original post is wrong.

As I said...at Delta on a narrow body fleet, it's a lot of max duty days, ridiculously long outstation sits (no crew lounge to rest/relax) and min rest overnights. With the new TA, you may get a few extra dollars out of it compared to what we get now, but it will STILL be max duty days, ridiculously long outstation sits, and min rest overnights.


Back when Delta pilots were out picketing, most of those signs said "fatiguing schedules", "quality of life", etc. When I hear pilots complain, it's about scheduling, quality of life, so many reroutes, awful trips. The company comes along and basically says "look, we're going to continue to do those things and run the airline this way, but here's a bit more cash when we do"...did they really address it?

It's amazing that pilots at any airline still fall for the "having to pay us a little more money will disincentivize the company from doing those things" argument. How backed up is the union right now going through all the ACE reports and grievances from the company violating the contract because having to pay out a little money later is worth the benefit they get from violating today? Having to pay more doesn't disincentivize them from any of that stuff because it still allows them to run the airline with less pilots than they ACTUALLY need.

The 220 is an outlier in that we are overstaffed. I've seen the reserve grids on the 737 and a320 fleets for most bases. Every single day of the month is below the required staffing. That means no personal drops. No usage of payback days to drop trips, no ability to easily move things around. Money is great, don't get me wrong. But there's going to come a day for many pilots when they realize that having scheduling flexibility and quality of life matters more than money.

I'm not sure why you guys are so uptight about this...I clearly expressed that Delta is still significantly better than Alaska. But there are plenty of things that aren't great here. I'm sorry if the idea that Delta isn't ThE MoSt PeRfEcT Air Line offends you.

Podrick

Take a deep breath man

NuGuy

Nothing new. In the 2000’s I flew with some that upgraded from the back seat of the 747 directly to the left seat of the DC-9. Some had no 121 time outside the airline and some had zero time in a window seat before upgrading.

Most times it was fine. It was only when you got into the hinterlands with no radar coverage or open control tower did it bubble up.

myrkridia

Reports after 10:30 local for front end, releases before 18:00 local for back end. Source: Rotation Construction Dashboard.

YouHateToSeeIt

Ahh yes. In my post encouraging people to leave Alaska and come to Delta, I dared to make a comment about something at Delta that isn’t great and the idea was so offensive to you that you had to voice your displeasure. Assuming that you were a rational adult, I explained my position to you so that you didn’t feel as if I was needlessly complaining, and once you realize that you don’t have any rebuttal, it’s “take a deep breath.”

Rich.