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06-01-2021, 03:01 AM
#381
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Not to mention that it would be a extremity expensive item to negotiate if you could get the company to even consider it. Our contract already favors seniority more than some others. No GS trigger would take that into absurdity.
06-01-2021, 03:12 AM
#382
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You obviously haven’t been a NB B for a very long time. No dropping trips and then flying premium. No dropping trips at all except for APD and IVD. Thank god for those.
There should be no trigger. None. Zero. You want me to fly on a day off, pay me. If you want or need it that bad, pay up. Simple as that. If you want to drop your schedule and roll the dice you’ll get GSs in their place, good on you.
There should be no trigger. None. Zero. You want me to fly on a day off, pay me. If you want or need it that bad, pay up. Simple as that. If you want to drop your schedule and roll the dice you’ll get GSs in their place, good on you.
Also, If you can’t drop trips due to coverage then you are most likely already at the trigger.
06-01-2021, 03:23 AM
#383
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Though I do like the idea of lowering the bank threshold, that is in the same category.
06-01-2021, 04:53 AM
#384
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06-01-2021, 05:44 AM
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Denny
06-01-2021, 05:58 AM
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I think Denny hit the nail on the head probably. For the same reason they don't want GS counting toward reserve buckets, they also don't want it to count toward bank repayment. It's all about incentives, and toward what...
06-01-2021, 06:00 AM
#387
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane;[url=tel:3243904
3243904[/url]] …As to why greenslips are pay/no credit.......I have no idea.
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06-01-2021, 06:01 AM
#388
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Plus, from the company's perspective, GS pay is pay you didn't "work" for. You actually have to work straight pay over 80 hours to be able to refill the bank, so they get much more usage out of you than if you were able to repay with "bonus" pay hours.
06-01-2021, 06:33 AM
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The bank is modestly useful (I've been minus in the bank for 15 years!) but it really stems from the pre-PBS days of line of time bidding. Back then we had a "cap" vs the ALV, and you were NOT paid for any time over the cap. So if the cap were 75 hours, and you flew 78, you were only paid 75 and that extra three hours was carried forward to the next month as "bow wave." There were lots of iterations and tricks you could do with the bow wave, and I won't go there as that was 15 years ago. However, pilots always had the option of depositing the bow wave into the bank, vs letting it carry to the next month.
So...cap usually lower than today's ALVs, and anything over the cap was bow wave/bank deposit, and it was a much more frequently used tool.
So...cap usually lower than today's ALVs, and anything over the cap was bow wave/bank deposit, and it was a much more frequently used tool.
06-01-2021, 06:43 AM
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The bank is modestly useful (I've been minus in the bank for 15 years!) but it really stems from the pre-PBS days of line of time bidding. Back then we had a "cap" vs the ALV, and you were NOT paid for any time over the cap. So if the cap were 75 hours, and you flew 78, you were only paid 75 and that extra three hours was carried forward to the next month as "bow wave." There were lots of iterations and tricks you could do with the bow wave, and I won't go there as that was 15 years ago. However, pilots always had the option of depositing the bow wave into the bank, vs letting it carry to the next month.
So...cap usually lower than today's ALVs, and anything over the cap was bow wave/bank deposit, and it was a much more frequently used tool.
So...cap usually lower than today's ALVs, and anything over the cap was bow wave/bank deposit, and it was a much more frequently used tool.
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