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Old 04-10-2021, 08:24 PM
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At this point the discussion is so far in the realm of fantasy that you might as well be talking about whether we should staff the airline with elves or ogres.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:02 PM
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At this point the discussion is so far in the realm of fantasy that you might as well be talking about whether we should staff the airline with elves or ogres.
agree. While some may argue a software engineer can leave a 6 figure job and just go get another one, there are other examples of the exact opposite. In the real business world, some people with 15-20 years of ‘experience’ are lay-off candidates because the business can replace him/her with a new younger cheaper person who will do the same work.

It seems those pilots most in favor of pay banding are relatively junior and were hired at a major later in life. For obvious reasons. Paybanding punishes seniority and transfers those benefits to the less senior. Broadly speaking, IMO.

Neither has anything to do with the Easter meltdown, which will vanish in the rear view mirror ASAPly. Bring on the MOAB and new hires again! Indoc 330B’s by next summer in NYC.
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Absolutely. It's the exact same job.
Huh....you must have a different FOM than I do and must be on a fleet where both pilots wear 4 stripes all the time.

It isn't the same job. It's a democratic dictatorship. Each pilot gets one vote but only the Captain's counts in the end because the Captain, not the FO, is ultimately responsible.
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Old 04-10-2021, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Huh....you must have a different FOM than I do and must be on a fleet where both pilots wear 4 stripes all the time.

It isn't the same job. It's a democratic dictatorship. Each pilot gets one vote but only the Captain's counts in the end because the Captain, not the FO, is ultimately responsible.
exactly. The Captain bears much more risk than an FO. Every leg.
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Old 04-10-2021, 10:55 PM
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[QUOTE=Bert Sampson;3220125]At this point the discussion is so far in the realm of fantasy that you might as well be talking about whether we should staff the airline with elves or ogres.[/QUOTE]

Elves. No question. And not the Santa-type ones.
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Old 04-11-2021, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Huh....you must have a different FOM than I do and must be on a fleet where both pilots wear 4 stripes all the time.

It isn't the same job. It's a democratic dictatorship. Each pilot gets one vote but only the Captain's counts in the end because the Captain, not the FO, is ultimately responsible.
im pretty sure he was comparing a year 1 FO an a year 20+ FO on the same plane, not a CA and a FO.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Absolutely. It's the exact same job. This is how the world works outside of the airline industry. I have non-aviation friends that will quit a multi-six figure job without thinking twice knowing they will get another one doing the same thing.
Your line of 'logic' is about the dumbest thing I have read on the interwebs in quite awhile.
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Delta hires captains I was told. And Liv Tyler type elves.
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Delta hires captains I was told. And Liv Tyler type elves.
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Huh....you must have a different FOM than I do and must be on a fleet where both pilots wear 4 stripes all the time.

It isn't the same job. It's a democratic dictatorship. Each pilot gets one vote but only the Captain's counts in the end because the Captain, not the FO, is ultimately responsible.
I'm talking a 12 year FO vs a new hire FO in the exact same seat.
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