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Old 09-20-2022, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
And it has cost hundreds of millions trillions of dollars in retirement wealth. Look at the amount put in vs what is paid out, and then factor in market rates of returns for that money over the same period. Yeah, it's a scam that hurts people. And as one of the other posters mentioned it also creates a moral hazard by incentivizing people NOT to save, invest, and/or plan for retirement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard
do you think it’s reasonable to assume that all that money would have otherwise been put into equities and received equities’ growth history?
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do you think it’s reasonable to assume that all that money would have otherwise been put into equities and received equities’ growth history?

Well, there was a president that wanted to put SOME of the SS money into the market....he was shot down by the other side.
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Well, there was a president that wanted to put SOME of the SS money into the market....he was shot down by the other side.
That president also spent enough money on bombs fighting unjust wars to fully pay for the retirement of two generations of Americans.
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Old 09-20-2022, 12:38 PM
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The weighted average maturity of the $31 trillion National Debt is 5 years. If rates stay near 4% over the next 5 years, and the debt grows to just $40 trillion, the annual cost to service the debt will be $1.6 trillion. At 8%, $3.2 trillion, more than half of total tax revenue.
We will soon be officially bankrupt as a country.
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It amazes me that the congress/senate leaders are so willing to cede so much power to the executive, but the last few decades have shown that both sides are willing as long as the executive is doing their bidding.
Ceding power to the executive branch alleviates Congressmen and Senators from making tough political decisions; plus doing so also makes it easier to campaign without having to fulfill explicit promises: "Don't like [insert policy]? Blame President Obama/Trump. Don't like Energy/Education/Land Use policy? Blame the Secretary of [insert Bureaucrat or Agency]."

It's convenient and on purpose. Almost every piece of legislation gives the cabinet Secretary extremely wide latitude on interpreting and executing the laws that Congress "writes." It's been called the Administrative State mainly for this reason.

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That president also spent enough money on bombs fighting unjust wars to fully pay for the retirement of two generations of Americans.
I’ll take non sequitur for $400, Alex.
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do you think it’s reasonable to assume that all that money would have otherwise been put into equities and received equities’ growth history?
Doesn't matter. When the government takes money from people against their will, it is called stealing, or theft. Even if they promise to give a fraction of it back to them in the future.
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I’ll take non sequitur for $400, Alex.
How so? If that money we spent on wars the past two decades were put in a Social Security lockbox they could stop taxing us for social security benefits for 100 years. Seems relevant to the topic and relevant to the previous discussion saying he wanted private SS accounts where people could invest their own money. Instead of letting us invest our own money he just borrowed our money and sent our country into perpetual war forever.
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Doesn't matter. When the government takes money from people against their will, it is called stealing, or theft. Even if they promise to give a fraction of it back to them in the future.
If you want to talk about what the returns would have been, yes it matters.

but you don’t, you just want to push your “taxation is theft” nonsense
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How so? If that money we spent on wars the past two decades were put in a Social Security lockbox they could stop taxing us for social security benefits for 100 years. Seems relevant to the topic and relevant to the previous discussion saying he wanted private SS accounts where people could invest their own money. Instead of letting us invest our own money he just borrowed our money and sent our country into perpetual war forever.
You're going to have to show the actual math on this one.
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