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Old 06-15-2022, 03:12 AM
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This is definitely not advice, however there are a few articles floating around as of late. In summary, of the past 10 out of 12 bear markets, those who have invested AFTER entering a bear market have returned, on average, 22% within a year.

Also listened to a commentary where one investor is still shorting and in cash. He says too early and he would rather miss the appetizer and show up for the main course. If going forward is anything like 2008, the worse the news get the higher stocks will go as the Fed typically gets more dovish. Maybe things will be different this time.

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Old 06-15-2022, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
This is definitely not advice, however there are a few articles floating around as of late. In summary, of the past 10 out of 12 bear markets, those who have invested AFTER entering a bear market have returned, on average, 22% within a year.



Also listened to a commentary where one investor is still shorting and in cash. He says too early and he would rather miss the appetizer and show up for the main course. If going forward is anything like 2008, the worse the news get the higher stocks will go as the Fed typically gets more dovish. Maybe things will be different this time.



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It's good advice. Many people believe equity investing is somehow this very complex game when in fact it's quite simple. All one needs is emotional stability and 4th grade level math. Find a 8-10 companies that have little to no debt, that have stable, positive cashflows, and play less than 10 times those cashflows.

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Old 06-15-2022, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
...all the chaos ends when BTC = 0...
LOL sure. The USD will go to zero before BTC will. The post-WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe high is wearing off. FWIW I've seen credible, actual data based, models showing significant additional downside for BTC to near half current levels for this current cycle. Which would still be 4X its previous price of a few years ago when it was last "going to zero". Weak hands will be shook and accumulation will begin again, most likely with higher highs and higher lows. Not investment advice of course, so if you want to short it to zero have at it.
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The post-WWII Marshall Plan fantasy crack pipe high is wearing off.
Susan Rice is doing everything in her power to get us into position for another Marshall type plan down the road, just have to win.
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Old 06-15-2022, 01:46 PM
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Given today's interest rate hike, I'd like to remind everyone that experts (and adults) are in control and know exactly what they're doing.

Here's a prediction from the man himself, Jerome Powell, from last year:
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:47 AM
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For those that have been around awhile, what has historically been a furlough cutoff during a downturn? Ie bottom 10,20,30%?
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Old 06-16-2022, 09:55 AM
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For those that have been around awhile, what has historically been a furlough cutoff during a downturn? Ie bottom 10,20,30%?
Mid November 2016 hire was the last cut line during covid. As those above are protected via the contract.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:03 AM
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Mid November 2016 hire was the last cut line during covid. As those above are protected via the contract.
Just to be clear, those above the cut line are not completely protected from furlough, but there are more onerous requirements that the company would have to abide by if they furloughed that deep.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JustNarced
It is possible. My theory is that all the chaos ends when BTC = 0, S&P 500 and housing are back to 2019 levels plus normal inflation.
Why would BTC at 0 end the chaos? It costs a lot more to build a house now than it did compared to 2019. And there is still a massive housing shortage. The only thing that would end most of the carnage is cheaper oil and that isn’t going to happen until a recession causes a massive consumption drop. At a minimum hiring is going to stop this fall/winter. Hopefully we don’t start furloughing next year.
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Delta furloughed 1360 of ~10200 after 9/11 so roughly the bottom 15%. Nobody knows if, when or how deep the next furlough will be.

Live well within your means and never assume the good times will last and you’ll be fine.
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