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Old 11-25-2020, 10:52 AM
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I wonder what the bigger play is here. Chess and checkers argument all over again, we're whining about FAs when we should be complaining about bigger issues.

I'm surprised that the WestJet JV fell through, I figured that would have been a win for the company, and now that they've divided the pilots, I would have thought that pilots with less than ten years would have voted top-end scope away in favor of higher pay rates in whatever seat they're currently sitting 'cause training doesn't get better as you get older.

Additionally, I wonder if ALPA will continue to pursue the bottom end RJ scope violation with lines vs tails. I imagine that will just disappear but I'd like to be wrong. For the group of pilots who believe they got screwed multiple times in their careers (which is probably true), I don't think they'll care about protecting bottom end scope anymore. Why care if an RJ pilot is taking a mainline job since that job isn't going to affect the top 50% of the seniority list. It's going to be an interesting year, I'm sure.

As an aside - anyone know how many planes actually got retired for good? 777, 88s, and 90s - probably a few 764s etc.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
yeah the ink wasn’t even dry on the agreement when they announced positive space to work/from for FA’s. Even as a commuter that is why I placed no negotiating value on this part of the LOA. I’ve seen this movie before.

Who cares. Be proud that we were the ones, yet again to bring the FA’s a great improvement. The FA’s that understand know this and will thank you for it someday. I will truly never understand people like you that make that an issue. Be proud we did that. Did you even vote and vote YES? Or are you one of those NO voters?
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
The lowering of the GS Trigger in light of the current staffing crisis will end up making this LOA a Significant gain for Delta Pilots. Not to mention the PS bookings. OOBGS got even easier. No more negotiating for PS with scheduling

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Old 11-25-2020, 11:43 AM
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From another UNA: Thank you!

I have other stuff lined up, but I sleep far more peacefully at night knowing that me and my family have a sizeable safety net below us.

Layover beers on me when I come back!
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by queuetip
I wonder what the bigger play is here. Chess and checkers argument all over again, we're whining about FAs when we should be complaining about bigger issues.

I'm surprised that the WestJet JV fell through, I figured that would have been a win for the company, and now that they've divided the pilots, I would have thought that pilots with less than ten years would have voted top-end scope away in favor of higher pay rates in whatever seat they're currently sitting 'cause training doesn't get better as you get older.

Additionally, I wonder if ALPA will continue to pursue the bottom end RJ scope violation with lines vs tails. I imagine that will just disappear but I'd like to be wrong. For the group of pilots who believe they got screwed multiple times in their careers (which is probably true), I don't think they'll care about protecting bottom end scope anymore. Why care if an RJ pilot is taking a mainline job since that job isn't going to affect the top 50% of the seniority list. It's going to be an interesting year, I'm sure.

As an aside - anyone know how many planes actually got retired for good? 777, 88s, and 90s - probably a few 764s etc.
There have been rumors that the NC has been in talk very recently to bring some larger RJ's finally on property operated by DL pilots. Schnitzler had briefly mentioned addressing scope issues (minus details) in one of his latest communications. We have the rates. It would be interesting to see if guys would step up and fly them if they were on property.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:57 AM
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There have been rumors that the NC has been in talk very recently to bring some larger RJ's finally on property operated by DL pilots. Schnitzler had briefly mentioned addressing scope issues (minus details) in one of his latest communications. We have the rates. It would be interesting to see if guys would step up and fly them if they were on property.
If the pay and/or seniority works, I’d fly a garbage truck.
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Old 11-25-2020, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooter432
There have been rumors that the NC has been in talk very recently to bring some larger RJ's finally on property operated by DL pilots. Schnitzler had briefly mentioned addressing scope issues (minus details) in one of his latest communications. We have the rates. It would be interesting to see if guys would step up and fly them if they were on property.


I think there are 1700 at the bottom of the list that would fly them. Bring them back in house


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Old 11-25-2020, 12:00 PM
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I’ve got types in both large RJs, put me in coach.
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Old 11-25-2020, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Pilots get schedules before FAs therefore will have access to PS seats before FAs so not sure how you arrived at no negotiating value

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Because a good many of us don't fly our bid schedule so a good many times I'm getting a trip a couple days out. I've played this game with positive space before. On a heavily commuted route it could suck. It's nice to have, it's nicer if it isn't watered down by 20,000 additional participants. Or how ever many are now on property.
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Old 11-25-2020, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
Who cares. Be proud that we were the ones, yet again to bring the FA’s a great improvement. The FA’s that understand know this and will thank you for it someday. I will truly never understand people like you that make that an issue. Be proud we did that. Did you even vote and vote YES? Or are you one of those NO voters?
Not that it's any of your business but I voted yes and as a commuter for almost 20 years it had nothing to do with the PS it had to do with the UNA's. So question for you since you like them are you married to, dating or have some other relationship with an FA? I don't care if they get it. I do care when something my union negotiates gets watered down heavily. Great thing about the United States everyone has their own opinion and no one is ever right.
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