sailingfun

How much do they save by furloughing the 1721?

whiskeycharlie

It appears the note regarding multiple rotations on the NN didn’t make it’s way into the TA language as written in the NN. The TA reads that if there’s more than 1 rotation available, batch size is >20.

konabear

Good catch. According to the NN if there are 3 available rotations during quiet hours, the maximum batch size would be 3. According to the TA language the batch size would be 23. The difference between the NN and the TA makes a big difference for the bottom 20 when applying 23.X.4.
Am I misinterpreting the language?

block30

Absolutely this.

When this COVID stuff first kicked off it appeared the shutdowns/lockdowns could get quite severe and I wondered what work would even be legal anymore. I ain't gonna lie I was having literal trouble sleeping at night wondering how I would take care of my wife and kid.

I think things are taming down, but we are not out of the woods, and we have a possible new administration who has openly talked about tacking a new course. Whether that's good or not I don't know, but it's just a fact.

As for flying jobs, I have a few internal recs at places that are- let's face it- lesser flying jobs than a legacy airline as measured by compensation and QOL. The best I've gotten is direct contact saying "Thanks but we are not hiring now." Usually its no response at all.

Given the magnitude of devastation wrought on our industry and really that of the global economy, I am floored. I am grateful to be extended a lifeline.

Really it's not me who needs protecting. If I were young and single this would be a different ball game. I could survive somehow. BUT- From day one of realizing COVID was going to be devastating beyond what 9/11 was, I haven't stopped worrying about my wife and kid.

To the previous group of furloughs: I realize there are many here who went through this dance before and had no protections. My heart goes out to you. I can understand the possible frustration seeing this group potentially helped (if this passes) when the previous furlough group wasn't. I've said this before; if there is something we can do to make up for your lost time out on the street, I look forward to that discussion.

I am also senior enough that there are a bunch junior to me who will be out longer, perhaps much longer. Therefore I feel a real sense that this LOA ain't just about me, but very much about the families of a large number junior to me.

I also liked the other parts of the LOA. What I saw felt like a little something for everyone, including myself when I'm back.

waldo135

That is incorrect. Maximum number of pilots that may be connected per rotation is either 1, 3, or 5 depending on time to report and time of day of contact. The note says the call-out batch will not EXCEED number of rotations being offered plus 20. If there are 8 rotations (happened a lot summer 19), instead of 40, they can only call 28.

konabear

The negotiators notepad says

• The table limit above multiplied by the number of rotations, or

This is how it is written in the TA: (the bullet above appears left out of the TA language)
*Note: If multiple rotations are available during a single call-out batch, the maximum number of pilots that may be contacted in such call-out batch will not exceed the number of rotations being offered plus 20.

As I read this note, if there are three rotations available, batch size won’t exceed 23. According to the NN it would only be 15 if there’s less than 8 hours to report. Have you read the TA and not just the NN. They are different. Not sure it is intentional, but they are different. At least that’s how I see it.

ERflyer

I was strongly against ALV -15% as I thought the company was using the crisis as an opportunity to simply reduce the size of our paychecks to match other employees cuts. It was an anti-unionization effort. The MEC did a great job to turn it down.

LOA 20-04 however is a huge win and an amazing compromise. 2%, potentially, is a meager give to throw a lifeline to 1700 people ... our brothers and sisters. Two words I’ve I never written before to describe who we work with. But we work with these people and hear their stories. We empathize and know that there by the grace of God go I. We won’t be faced with personal financial destruction and unbelievable hardship due to being lucky to be born when we were, had a different path, and were hired when we were.

No, we have never done this for potential furloughees before. But the aviation industry has never faced what it faces now. It’s the worst crisis since the 1930’s. It’s much worse than 9/11 in terms of the economic effects.

For those who need a reason to vote yes besides the other obvious pluses of the LOA: this will help Delta retain the great pilots we have hired and who we will need going forward. This will ultimately help us ramp up and return to profitability quicker thus increasing profit sharing sooner.

More importantly, for what is a very small tradeoff, it will potentially save some lives and families.

notEnuf

That makes me less likely to put in a WS. If I do it will have a lot of qualifiers, like no calls between 10P and 6A. When those WS aren't able to cover overnight or last minute flying they will move on to GSs.

waldo135

The note is lines 2 thru 4 of page 7 of the LOA. The table above it has the numbers per rotation. The note does not allow 20 plus the number of rotations. It limits the number so the batch does not get enormous.

whiskeycharlie

Yeah I was including the summation of the table "plus 20" to arrive at ">20" as you did in your example of 28.

I was just calling attention to the fact that the note is written much less favorably in the actual TA, versus the negotiator's notepad, which many seem to be referencing.