LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
11-09-2020, 03:46 AM
#581
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As a commuter on a heavily commuted route I wouldn't put too much value on this the positive space commuting. The ink won't be dry and the company will have already given it to the flight attendants, they are already asking about it on skynet, so you'd better be johnny on the spot getting a reservation or there won't be any available seats to positive space on.
11-09-2020, 03:54 AM
#582
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I’m not “shaming” anyone. I’m simply asking you what it is that’s “protected for the long term after this mess” as you have said. Do you care to elaborate what else it to be protected. Seems like a fair question to see all the points of this LOA.
Honestly I don’t care how you vote. I have sold everything I own including my house to get through this. At this point whatever, they can furlough me. I’d mostly like it to pass to ensure those who need healthcare have access to insurance if nothing else. Thankfully my wife has a policy. And it seems like the math is a pretty easy sell for me, even if I am biased.
36 hours is ~$12,800 at max pay rate. Not including DC
Minus 1% assessment, on an average salary of say $300k is $3000 less.
So that bring the total down to ~$9800 lost.
Subtract what you won’t be paying in taxes, etc so then you’d would lose about ~$5800 total. Rough math.
Then think about the tax savings on the additional earnings from MBCBP and interest earned on that account.
To me is seems like a solid deal, pending language, to gain some in contract, and stand together as a union instead of always dividing ourselves. This entire airline union, IMO is a joke. We as a group of pilots (all pilots, not directed just at us at Delta) have done enough damage by segregating groups to “sell” scope, agree to such major pay discrepancies between those starting off and those at the end of their career (how about higher average pay during all years so people can contribute more early on for retirement vs the last years), etc. We as a group, airline pilots, are constantly chasing our tails. Cutting off our nose to spite our face, I think that’s the saying. But that’s just my opinion.
Honestly I don’t care how you vote. I have sold everything I own including my house to get through this. At this point whatever, they can furlough me. I’d mostly like it to pass to ensure those who need healthcare have access to insurance if nothing else. Thankfully my wife has a policy. And it seems like the math is a pretty easy sell for me, even if I am biased.
36 hours is ~$12,800 at max pay rate. Not including DC
Minus 1% assessment, on an average salary of say $300k is $3000 less.
So that bring the total down to ~$9800 lost.
Subtract what you won’t be paying in taxes, etc so then you’d would lose about ~$5800 total. Rough math.
Then think about the tax savings on the additional earnings from MBCBP and interest earned on that account.
To me is seems like a solid deal, pending language, to gain some in contract, and stand together as a union instead of always dividing ourselves. This entire airline union, IMO is a joke. We as a group of pilots (all pilots, not directed just at us at Delta) have done enough damage by segregating groups to “sell” scope, agree to such major pay discrepancies between those starting off and those at the end of their career (how about higher average pay during all years so people can contribute more early on for retirement vs the last years), etc. We as a group, airline pilots, are constantly chasing our tails. Cutting off our nose to spite our face, I think that’s the saying. But that’s just my opinion.
11-09-2020, 03:56 AM
#583
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I’d say maybe on that one as well. I wonder if this will also allow swap with the pot closer to the trip you’re trying to pickup. I am sometimes surprised at the gem of trips that show up in open time that I’d like to swap for because of trip quality, freeing up days later in the month, etc., but I get denied on the swap because it’s too close in time.
11-09-2020, 04:08 AM
#584
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I’d say maybe on that one as well. I wonder if this will also allow swap with the pot closer to the trip you’re trying to pickup. I am sometimes surprised at the gem of trips that show up in open time that I’d like to swap for because of trip quality, freeing up days later in the month, etc., but I get denied on the swap because it’s too close in time.
And...there was no option to select an automated PCS run at 0700 for next day transactions, including swap with the pot.
So it was quite common to check open time at 8pm, see a great trip two days out that overlapped your existing trip departing the same day, and there would be no way to swap for it.
So we have made improvements there. Doesn't mean that we can't make it even better however.
11-09-2020, 04:11 AM
#585
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11-09-2020, 04:14 AM
#586
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11-09-2020, 04:17 AM
#587
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As a commuter on a heavily commuted route I wouldn't put too much value on this the positive space commuting. The ink won't be dry and the company will have already given it to the flight attendants, they are already asking about it on skynet, so you'd better be johnny on the spot getting a reservation or there won't be any available seats to positive space on.
11-09-2020, 04:25 AM
#588
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As a commuter on a heavily commuted route I wouldn't put too much value on this the positive space commuting. The ink won't be dry and the company will have already given it to the flight attendants, they are already asking about it on skynet, so you'd better be johnny on the spot getting a reservation or there won't be any available seats to positive space on.
11-09-2020, 04:34 AM
#589
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Think on the bright side. It used to be much worse. Prior to the Scheduling Optimization Team work from several years ago, we only had three PCS runs a day, and the last one ran at 1800.
And...there was no option to select an automated PCS run at 0700 for next day transactions, including swap with the pot.
So it was quite common to check open time at 8pm, see a great trip two days out that overlapped your existing trip departing the same day, and there would be no way to swap for it.
So we have made improvements there. Doesn't mean that we can't make it even better however.
And...there was no option to select an automated PCS run at 0700 for next day transactions, including swap with the pot.
So it was quite common to check open time at 8pm, see a great trip two days out that overlapped your existing trip departing the same day, and there would be no way to swap for it.
So we have made improvements there. Doesn't mean that we can't make it even better however.
11-09-2020, 04:35 AM
#590
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Why tiptoe around it? You are against it and see negatives. Just say them. Why in your opinion will this greatly increase the number of WS awards at the expense of GS awards when the coverage ladders have to be followed with or without ARCOS?
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