LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
11-08-2020, 05:02 PM
#571
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i think you missed the point.
in the past when we had high value months, they will be lower value now--which is a lower reserve guarantee. The argument was made "just pick up more flying" to make up for it, well reserves can't do that, and more pilots are driven to reserve now.
in the past when we had high value months, they will be lower value now--which is a lower reserve guarantee. The argument was made "just pick up more flying" to make up for it, well reserves can't do that, and more pilots are driven to reserve now.
I think that overall the reduced TLV/ALVs are an improvement to the "QOL" that so many mention. Perhaps we don't even disagree.
11-08-2020, 05:10 PM
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I think the only argument against this TA is going to be what’s not in it, ie scope and JV reclamation, etc.
I for one think the MEC should pass this easily and either shorten the voting window or vote to forgo MEMRAT all together. That’s my stance unless someone can convince me there are Easter eggs in it that I haven’t found.
I for one think the MEC should pass this easily and either shorten the voting window or vote to forgo MEMRAT all together. That’s my stance unless someone can convince me there are Easter eggs in it that I haven’t found.
how long was UALs TA voting open for?
11-08-2020, 06:58 PM
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PS- front and back, no backup option required
GS trigger- we had GS#9 go out back in august (or maybe September). As an observation DTW320B had a GS#3 go out yesterday and today*
MBCBP- agree with your assessment here
the 1% assessment would be on all earnings. About .75 hrs/month for everyone. Dropping the 36 hrs difference a year to 27 (assuming 75 hr TLV)
* yesterday GS#2 went out on a few other categories as well
GS trigger- we had GS#9 go out back in august (or maybe September). As an observation DTW320B had a GS#3 go out yesterday and today*
MBCBP- agree with your assessment here
the 1% assessment would be on all earnings. About .75 hrs/month for everyone. Dropping the 36 hrs difference a year to 27 (assuming 75 hr TLV)
* yesterday GS#2 went out on a few other categories as well
11-08-2020, 07:18 PM
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im a 1713 and I hope this goes to MEMRAT (vs bypassing it) I think it should pass, but I think the group should get to vote on it. I don’t like the idea of setting a precedent that the MEC gets to vote to lower hours without membership approval, no matter what we get out of the deal. I do hope they shorten the voting window to allow us to know on or before nov 28th what will happen to us.
how long was UALs TA voting open for?
how long was UALs TA voting open for?
11-09-2020, 01:28 AM
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I will happily bid for reserve with lower ALVs than we had in the past--QOL and all that. There may be lower reserve guarantees, yes, but also more X days available, both due to more instances of reserve guarantees being 75 hours or less compared to the past, and also more cases of the additional X day provided due to 20% reserve staffing. I've been a captain for six years. Almost three on the 717, and now approaching three on the 320 (ATL base). Prior to Covid, there was precisely one (!!!) month in the preceding five years in those two categories where there was an additional X day offered due to 20% staffing. Unfortunately it took a pandemic to get us to a situation where the additional X day was offered, and of course no one is celebrating that.
I think that overall the reduced TLV/ALVs are an improvement to the "QOL" that so many mention. Perhaps we don't even disagree.
I think that overall the reduced TLV/ALVs are an improvement to the "QOL" that so many mention. Perhaps we don't even disagree.
We don’t disagree at all. I think the reduced TLV is a QOL gain.
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11-09-2020, 01:32 AM
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Ehhh I wouldn’t be too quick to say that. It’s one of those we have to actually see if that’s the case, but my hunch is it will take a minimal impact on green slips. Keep in mind the company could have implemented white slip via arcos without approval from ALPA. This is one of those rare occasions with the ARCOS section where we are gaining items when the company could have done it and given us nothing.
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11-09-2020, 03:01 AM
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Maybe. Maybe it will just shorten the time it takes to go through the WS offers, thus needing fewer schedulers, thus saving money on that end. I will personally be surprised if all GS turn into WS. Anecdotally, the guys that WS a lot already bump up against ALV+15 each month. The truth is, until flying comes back full force, it will appear that you are correct. A form of confirmation bias. The real truth is probably at least a year away.
11-09-2020, 03:30 AM
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