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11-02-2020, 10:34 AM

#421

HTBH

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Originally Posted by MongoC5

Isn’t that part of the options for 20-03, but fleet dependent?

Mongo

That is correct. But if you look at Dec KLOA availability (which is a pretty good barometer on what they may offer), it looks like there isn’t much chance of any of 20-03 making it down to the narrow bodies. Hope I’m wrong on that.

11-02-2020, 11:08 AM

#422

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Originally Posted by HTBH

Wish there was the option. I’d be interested in even a 30 hour “SIL” at this point.

just remember, it’s a 30 hr SIL at 717B rates

11-02-2020, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Then the MEC unilaterally pulled them down a couple of years ago to be "tough.". One of their stupider moves.

I'm curious what you believe you achieve by misrepresenting the totality of what happened? I mean, I know oversimplifying complex things is how children communicate, but when adults do it I honestly wonder about their motivations or their ignorance on the matter at hand. Do you think your readers don't know the history and the behaviors that led up to the pull down? Or do you not know?

11-02-2020, 12:48 PM

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MJP27

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Originally Posted by TED74

I know the history and agree with Herk(fixed). Stupid. Held our breath and stomped our feet because we didn’t get 55 hours SILS. Pulled it down and the pilot group lost. But you can still get one of those KLOAs that cost the company’s nothing.......amiright?

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11-02-2020, 01:27 PM

#425

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Originally Posted by MJP27

I know the history and agree with Ted. Stupid. Held our breath and stomped our feet because we didn’t get 55 hours SILS. Pulled it down and the pilot group lost. But you can still get one of those KLOAs that cost the company’s nothing.......amiright?

Don't you mean Herk?

11-02-2020, 01:30 PM

#426

MJP27

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Originally Posted by FangsF15

Don't you mean Herk?

Yeah, my bad!

11-02-2020, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MJP27

Pretty much this above. We pulled down SILs because they were "bad" and only paid 45 hours (for example). But KLOAs that paid....zero...were just AOK! And the pilot group had no problem with that. Puzzling.

That said, I suppose I should let it go. Warts and all, I think our negotiators and MEC are doing a decent job--even a very good job. I think our current MEC Chair should be reelected to serve another term. This constant barrage of MEC Chairs serving one two-year term, to then be "ousted" by this week's candidate is a disservice to all of us.

11-02-2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Herkflyr

Well we had those, and worth more than 30 hours--but not 55. Then the MEC unilaterally pulled them down a couple of years ago to be "tough.". One of their stupider moves.

That’s how I remember it.

11-02-2020, 02:35 PM

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Buck Rogers

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Since you all are....

1. Communicating like children
2. Misrepresenting the totality
3. Oversimplifying complex ideas
3. Showing your ignorance

Maybe someone more "enlightened" can help? I can't remember all the nuances.

Hailing Ted!!! (if you are so inclined)

11-02-2020, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

from my memory, per the contract the company was supposed to notify the union they were going to offer sil’s and they had to agree on it. They never notified the union and posted them. The SC chair called them on it and they did not agree on that interpretation. So we then pulled it down. That is what I remember. Edit, I believed both sides were being stubborn.

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