Han Solo

I think the opposite. There is nothing in 20-03 that helps me or many other pilots but many people in my situation might choose to vote "yes" to help the 200. Assuming good contractual language for 20-04 then the very poorly structured 20-03 can be voted down without any guilt.

EDIT: BTW, the company doesn't need the pilot group approval to implement the USERRA provision of 20-03. They can and should implement that portion of 20-03 regardless of the vote outcome.

Jaww

Well duh. I don’t expect a business to keep people on that aren’t needed. But they need the optics and we got some good asks. Seems positive and it’s the first time it appears everyone is on the same page.

boog123

watching late notice WS go out to OOBWS with positive space, thus reducing GS’s, wasn’t something I would have asked for.

Han Solo

Don't forget the add-ons.

ARCOS batch size has been a thorn in my side since it was implemented. I absolutely HATE being called in the middle of the night for somebody else's GS, I need zero practice being awakened in the middle of the night for no reason. The new GS trigger is a significant improvement, with a 72 hour ALV we're now looking at a 67 hour trigger -- 8 fewer hours at single pay and even during the busiest months there's still a 3 hour reprieve. Those who would've been furloughed get more hours than anybody who would've previously signed up for LOA 20-03 blank lines, and those still on the payroll won't pay 1% of their earnings towards COBRA since the company will be covering medical. I'm unfamiliar with market based cash balance plans but I assume they must help some % of the pilot group. Finally, lower TLV is GOOD. We'd have killed for a lower TLV in the summer of '19 and now that's a company ask!!! Assuming we get another 15-20 years before the next black swan, the company will want that TLV back at some point and we'll be in the enviable position of telling them NTY or selling it back for a tasty profit.

Gen6

There are a lot of unknowns until we get the details. The GS trigger is nice if you are senior or we are undermanned. Imo once they get the ship stabilized the majority of people won't be seeing GS's for a while. In 2021 everyone would appear to give up at least 50 hours of pay or getting 2 weeks of unpaid vacation. After 21 you get 1 week of unpaid vacation in perpetuity.


For comparison in rough numbers with DC included each furloughee costs about $55,000/yr. That comes out to around $9500 per active pilot based on anticipated Summer 21 manning. Assuming the TLV in 21 goes towards the low end a NB Capt is coughing up around $16,000 (WB Capt is more). A NB FO is coughing up around $10,000. Writing a check for $10k would be significantly cheaper with no change to the PWA.

Jaww

I think the rub is how long this actually lasts. May need the politics forum reopened for that.

tunes

The permanent top end of 78 does that


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From the FB forum, SK (sched committee vice chair) posted: "the TLV drives the ALV (although it’s a bit cyclical), which subsequently drives the PBS line construction window. The TLV is a rolling 12-month ALV lookback, and the lower the TLV, then the longer the Company can maintain a lower ALV (although must still comply with the current ALVs). This equates to more PBS-awarded REG lines, and actually *increases* the PBS staffing formula pilot requirement by ~250 pilots."

Trip7

2021 will likely yield a Hurricane of GSs for NBs. Any cost savings from TLV reduction will be given back plus more with the new GS trigger. Looks like that's the flexibility the company was looking for. Limit the cost downside if bookings don't increase and make it rain if it does significantly

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