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Old 10-29-2020, 04:22 PM
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I have heavily criticized this MEC. I have to eat crow. This is a outstanding deal! Well done!
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:26 PM
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I have heavily criticized this MEC. I have to eat crow. This is a outstanding deal! Well done!
That’s a classy move. I’m not always in agreement with your takes, but I like reading your posts and hearing what you have to say.

good work MEC / NC. This looks very appealing.
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I feel details are missing. So if I'm current / qual'd but facing furlough...the Co is going to UNA me and pay me? I'm thinking they will want to keep as many junior pilots flying if that is what those pilots desire. Why not keep them flying with WS/YS/GS, with a modification to the PWA for picking up flying...then they don't have training on the other side of COVID?
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How will it work for those non-UNA’s who are junior to those UNA?
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
I'm going to catch some serious arrows fired my way for this....but what the hell.

AIP looks pretty good overall. But from a completely selfish standpoint, I was hoping to take some time away from Delta. That hope was with SILs or now the Continuous Blank Line. But...the CBL is only if the LOA 20-03 passes AND they offer it in my category. So there is the part of me that looks at this and thinks, "wait a minute, I'm senior to the furloughs. But they get 30 hours a month with zero obligation, and I get 35 (yes I know it is more with vacation, training, etc... but only if they offer it my way) and have to maintain currency."

Volley the arrows my way....
I'd say the odds of CBL/BL being offered with 20-04 passing are slim to none
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Drum
Don't the surrender monkeys of C44 get 2 additional votes? So really like just about a push then right?

C44 will be the end of us.

Can't wait to see this turd. Hope I'm wrong.
How’s the turd look to you? How’s the C44 recall going?
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:30 PM
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Question: I'm in the 1721 (aka going away regardless of LOA 20-03 MEMRAT)

My quick read of this is 30 hours, no obligation.


Free to go do reserve orders, another job, etc? I have looked into some diving jobs that are overseas doing oilfield work that are decent, but I can't be back on 2 weeks notice. Hell, the decompression can take that long depending on how deep I'd be working. Also if you think Zoom meeting with family are bad, try doing it while breathing Heliox. I'd rather go on orders with my reserve unit (parent unit is deploying, Reservists can come if they want) but I've done dumber things for money.

How fast is the callback window?
I have year long orders I can go on starting late November-Early January depending on when I can get cleared by medical if I want them. I have SWA buddies who are out on their Paid Leaves doing long term orders and it's no big deal.

If there is no gotchas in this, looks like an easy yes for me.

What's Delta's take on that gonna be?
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:33 PM
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I’m sure there will be someone to come along and make the perfect the enemy of the good soon
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:33 PM
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Undecided on this until a pro-con comes out. A little ticked that when some asked to work on an LOA to address the lack of reinstatement rights or pay protection for those negatively impacted by the PWA oversight that many on this forum and many reps said no way. We aren't opening the PWA and what about the junior guys potentially affected by that. Yet we can drop the TLV and pay UNA 30 hrs/month and that's all good. Seems a little hypocritical.
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Old 10-29-2020, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I feel details are missing. So if I'm current / qual'd but facing furlough...the Co is going to UNA me and pay me? I'm thinking they will want to keep as many junior pilots flying if that is what those pilots desire. Why not keep them flying with WS/YS/GS, with a modification to the PWA for picking up flying...then they don't have training on the other side of COVID?
If you are on the furlough list you will be placed in the 30 hour group. Pilots will be returned from that group in seniority order, if they do it out of seniority order, the senior pilots will be pay protected at the actual UNA rate everyone is seeing now. Does that answer your question?

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How will it work for those non-UNA’s who are junior to those UNA?
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Question: I'm in the 1721 (aka going away regardless of LOA 20-03 MEMRAT)

My quick read of this is 30 hours, no obligation.


Free to go do reserve orders, another job, etc? I have looked into some diving jobs that are overseas doing oilfield work that are decent, but I can't be back on 2 weeks notice. Hell, the decompression can take that long depending on how deep I'd be working. Also if you think Zoom meeting with family are bad, try doing it while breathing Heliox. I'd rather go on orders with my reserve unit (parent unit is deploying, Reservists can come if they want) but I've done dumber things for money.

How fast is the callback window?
I have year long orders I can go on starting late November-Early January depending on when I can get cleared by medical if I want them. I have SWA buddies who are out on their Paid Leaves doing long term orders and it's no big deal.

If there is no gotchas in this, looks like an easy yes for me.

What's Delta's take on that gonna be?
not sure if i can disclose that callback time yet since the full language hasn't been sent out. but there will be a time that you have to return by if called back. That being said, you should be able to transition to e PLOA/MLOA should you not want to come back when called.
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