theUpsideDown

Wait what? Not seeing management is the PERK of the job. Im saying you can be critical of management and enjoy the job fine. Management never even comes to work (though i admit im on a lot of weekends) to check on us. We never have to see them, its great.

Im the guy asking on the next negotiating cycle that we not even get communication from them. No more blastmails or info or anything. Submit it through the union. If the union thinks i need to see it then they can forward it to my spam box and ill check once a month like normal (my spambox empties automatically after 6 days i think).

Buck Rogers

Gotcha. Sounded like u were lamenting the fact that mgt doesn't come see us unless it's for a scolding. That their lack of "rubbing elbows" was a slight.

Think were on same page

block30

I like to hear from both and compare the two messages.

Scoop

Dude - you need to remember the first rule of DALPA. You must translate the language.

If someone who negotiated the deal and is personally invested in it says the following, it really means this:

Its a great deal ................................... We got boned.
Its a really great deal ............................. It sucks
Best deal ever.........................We just gave away Profit Sharing.
Best deal ever negotiated.................... run away
Industry leading in all sections......... it will not pass Memory Rat.

If Someone who always votes No and has never voted yes ever says the following, it really means this:

Its a crappy deal ...................... Probably industry average
It totally sucks and DALPA are a bunch of idiots...... .............................Slightly better than industry average
It is industry lagging in all categories and will fail Memory Rat...........................Solid deal will pass with 80+ percent
We didn't think they would do that ............................................ This individual struggles with original thoughts.

In all seriousness, I find it hard to imagine that anything short of the BK dominoes start falling will be the "end of us." LOA 20-03 is totally voluntary and is a toss up on whether it will pass. I doubt anything more substantial will get by the Pilot group if it is concessionary. Lets just hope the BK dominoes do not start falling.

As Billy Joel once said

" the good ole days weren't
Always good
And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems"

Scoop

D B Cooper

Still 5150?
50% of the time it works all the time.

20Fathoms

I’d say 69-31 but I don’t think it has the legs to get to 69......

notEnuf

We won't get the deets until voting on 20-03 closes because if that doesn't pass there are no MBLs or CBLs to base the furlough mitigation for the 17xx on. They can't risk sabotaging this vote by a "give" (TLV or whatever) on the furlough mitigation, which is also why they will have to get a decent sweetener or it will be seen as concessionary.

Drum

Yeah, I'm kinda Fly by night, but after all i'm just a working man. I can see the forest thru the trees though and it fills me with limelight.

So I guess I'll get in my red barchetta, hold my fire and think about the mission. After all life in the subdivision can get you down.

Maybe I'm just a modern day Tom Sawyer.

Abouttime2fish

then they should have put the whole thing together as one package. Splitting it up 69 different ways while trying to hide the Easter egg is no way to build trust.

notEnuf

The always yes voters are comfortably numb. Most are so out of touch they may as well be on the darkside of the moon. It all comes down to money because it's us and them. I would say the auto-yes voter has brain damage because they don't even know which side they are on, sheep really. Most are hoping management will say welcome to the machine. Or they are already cubical dwellers who are just another brick in the wall. They have given up the great gig in the sky, goodbye blue sky.