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I'm age 60+, Definitely Yes
6
2.83%
I'm age 60+, Leaning Yes
13
6.13%
I'm age 60+, Leaning No
3
1.42%
I'm age 60+, Definitely No
5
2.36%
I'm age <60, Definitely Yes
5
2.36%
I'm age <60, Leaning Yes
6
2.83%
I'm age <60, Leaning No
6
2.83%
I'm age <60, Definitely No
23
10.85%
Not eligible, but would take it if I were
121
57.08%
Not eligible and would not take it
24
11.32%
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Old 06-29-2020, 01:42 PM
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I've always enjoyed my job but I've done it long enough and am seriously considering this offer. I'll turn 62 end of October. The best possible separation date for me would be November 1, 2020. We will see....

Other than flying with a great group of pilots, the only thing that I will actually miss is the opportunity for a "last flight." Who knows, maybe that is still possible.

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Old 06-29-2020, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I've always enjoyed my job but I've done it long enough and am seriously considering this offer. I'll turn 62 end of October. The best possible separation date for me would be November 1, 2020. We will see....

Other than flying with a great group of pilots, the only thing that I will actually miss is the opportunity for a "last flight." Who knows, maybe that is still possible.

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I hope so Denny! You can buy me a beer in Haneda
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Old 06-29-2020, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I've always enjoyed my job but I've done it long enough and am seriously considering this offer. I'll turn 62 end of October. The best possible separation date for me would be November 1, 2020. We will see....

Other than flying with a great group of pilots, the only thing that I will actually miss is the opportunity for a "last flight." Who knows, maybe that is still possible.

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Well put....
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Old 06-29-2020, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
I hope so Denny! You can buy me a beer in Haneda
👍👍👍 Ii would be my absolute pleasure!

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Old 06-29-2020, 05:12 PM
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Four days since the EO came out and based on the poll the yes and leaning yes are 31% of eligible pilots. Times 7,900 eligible gives you 2,455. Close. Of course most normal people don’t hang out on forums so who knows what the final number will be. But it’ll be interesting.
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Old 06-29-2020, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Four days since the EO came out and based on the poll the yes and leaning yes are 31% of eligible pilots. Times 7,900 eligible gives you 2,455. Close. Of course most normal people don’t hang out on forums so who knows what the final number will be. But it’ll be interesting.
Interesting. The poll on CC with 426 voters shows 33% are considering it so the forums compare very closely. Being conservative and rounding it down to 30% of 7900 equals 2370. Big number, but I'm betting at least 25% revocation in August which will drop the final number below 1800.
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Interesting. The poll on CC with 426 voters shows 33% are considering it so the forums compare very closely. Being conservative and rounding it down to 30% of 7900 equals 2370. Big number, but I'm betting at least 25% revocation in August which will drop the final number below 1800.
That sounds about right. But even 1800 is a lot if it holds up.
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Four days since the EO came out and based on the poll the yes and leaning yes are 31% of eligible pilots. Times 7,900 eligible gives you 2,455. Close. Of course most normal people don’t hang out on forums so who knows what the final number will be. But it’ll be interesting.
I can’t see it going anywhere close to that high. You’ve got a ton of guys on FB that you’d think would be a slam dunk for this and they’ve said they aren’t taking it. Also, of those eligible, MANY are just barely so I’d imagine. I doubt you’ll have a ton of interest from the under, say, 58 crowd. Lots of people in that bracket I’d think.
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Also remember, as a South guy, for me, every year I defer my PGGC the payout goes up about $10,000 year. Consequently, I would like to defer for some(×××) years to be determined once somebody can tell me how old I will be when I die. SS is the same conundrum. One way to do that is by continuing to work.

BTW....I have not made up my mind one way or the other. But, hopefully, you now see that the choice is not an easy binary one. Looking at the poll results, I have a feeling that newer pilots are not intimately aware of the nuances of the ER just as I am unaware of the minutia of UNA. We usually know what we need to know to make rational decisions.
The nice thing with the minutia of the UNA is everybody is unaware. As far as I’ve been able to find out; you may or may not be subject to a seat lock coming out of it, and you get out of UNA by being proffered a spot newhire style unless you are actually required to bid on an AE. The only truly known fact is that UNA pilots get 717B reserve guarantee to stay away from work until Oct 1. After that, we wait on the next decision the company has in store for us.

Seems to be more minutia to be aware of with the voluntary ER stay away from work program currently.
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Sure, I will explain it and I’m not even in the 60+ crowd, in-fact much younger. Those over 62 and at Delta most likely had a pension whipped out. They most likely went through the financial downturn and years of career stagnation. They didn’t have a big DC plan until late in their career. Just finally in the last 5 years they started to recoup some tiny portion of the losses. They finally were able to hold some sort of high paying Capt spot. All the young crowd acts like they always had 3-5 year upgrades, but that wasn’t the story for most of this 62+ crowds career. Now they are being asked to take a big pay cut for the last 3 years of their career and it’s labeled as an “early retirement” but in reality it’s an end of career pay cut. So if your not in the 62+ crowd you shouldn’t even cast your thoughts or vote because you have no clue if you would take it.
Thats a good rule you just made and didn’t follow. Except that a pilot can be under 62 and still qualify for the ER. So maybe, we should retract your rule and allow others their opinion.
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