View Poll Results: Do you plan to take the VEOP offer?
I'm age 60+, Definitely Yes
6
2.83%
I'm age 60+, Leaning Yes
13
6.13%
I'm age 60+, Leaning No
3
1.42%
I'm age 60+, Definitely No
5
2.36%
I'm age <60, Definitely Yes
5
2.36%
I'm age <60, Leaning Yes
6
2.83%
I'm age <60, Leaning No
6
2.83%
I'm age <60, Definitely No
23
10.85%
Not eligible, but would take it if I were
121
57.08%
Not eligible and would not take it
24
11.32%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll
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#91
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#92
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Your words tell your story, unfortunately.
#93
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You been out in your boat drinking again?
OBTW...you obviously do care cause you waded in unsolicited, and keep charging ahead, all balls, Richard and no forehead.
So, $100 to the charity of your choice, if you go read all my posts in this thread and report back on me "beating down on folks about to hit the street"
#94
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You been out in your boat drinking again?
OBTW...you obviously do care cause you waded in unsolicited, and keep charging ahead, all balls, Richard and no forehead.
So, $100 to the charity of your choice, if you go read all my posts in this thread and report back on me "beating down on folks about to hit the street"
OBTW...you obviously do care cause you waded in unsolicited, and keep charging ahead, all balls, Richard and no forehead.
So, $100 to the charity of your choice, if you go read all my posts in this thread and report back on me "beating down on folks about to hit the street"
Save your money, it sounds like you need it.
#95
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From this thread 4 days ago...
Personally, I advocated for a comprehensive plan that reigned in the swap with pot/ icrew swap board, an ALV reduction and a MOAD adjustment in return for a FPL, and mitigation of the backward movement on the MOAD, The adjustments would combine to "economically force" more takers of the ER package. The synergy would attempt to spread the misery. By not doing it comprehensively, the results will not be maximized IMO.
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
edit...If you care enough to look...$100 to a charity of your choice if you can find and post in this thread that resembles your remark..."Your response about how you can’t stand losing the opportunity to make 105 hours of credit " I know you don't care about the money but think of the good it can do with 5 minutes or "work" on your part.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
Personally, I advocated for a comprehensive plan that reigned in the swap with pot/ icrew swap board, an ALV reduction and a MOAD adjustment in return for a FPL, and mitigation of the backward movement on the MOAD, The adjustments would combine to "economically force" more takers of the ER package. The synergy would attempt to spread the misery. By not doing it comprehensively, the results will not be maximized IMO.
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
edit...If you care enough to look...$100 to a charity of your choice if you can find and post in this thread that resembles your remark..."Your response about how you can’t stand losing the opportunity to make 105 hours of credit " I know you don't care about the money but think of the good it can do with 5 minutes or "work" on your part.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
#96
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From this thread 4 days ago...
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
The disparity in poll numbers is probably from some naive youngins like me.
I’ve said to my friends that I’d take it. And I sincerely would at around age 58, as it would get me to my military pension and TRICARE at age 60. But sooner than 58, I probably would not take it, even though I’d be eligible due to my age/years combo.
So, should I mark yes or no? Am I naive and dumb? I dunno.
It’s Internet forums and blind polling. Take it for what it is. For what it’s worth, I’m guessing 950 actually take the EO, with 2200 signing up for it.
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#97
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Posts: 2,558
From this thread 4 days ago...
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
edit...If you care enough to look...$100 to a charity of your choice if you can find and post in this thread that resembles your remark..."Your response about how you can’t stand losing the opportunity to make 105 hours of credit " I know you don't care about the money but think of the good it can do with 5 minutes or "work" on your part.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
Iceberg,
So, using your logic, because I try to explain something like racism....you can now call me a racist. And, no, who you flew with wasn't me, because I haven't been flying.....but a good disparaging remark nonetheless.
If you read my position(which I quoted), I have advocated for more than a month on these boards....you will see an attempt to reign in the reach arounds to pad pay, in an exchange for a furlough relief (FPL) combined with a MOAD rebid(protect the middle group of pilots) Unfortunately, the MD88 and 777 are prolly toast.Excuse me if I thought that might be the "bestest for the mostest".
As an aside, do you read books with titles like "The Millionaire Next Door" and "Rich Dad Poor Dad" or ........"How to Exist on Welfare"? After reading your book of choice, do you think the author is tone deaf and picking on you? Or just explaining "factual" realities?
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
edit...If you care enough to look...$100 to a charity of your choice if you can find and post in this thread that resembles your remark..."Your response about how you can’t stand losing the opportunity to make 105 hours of credit " I know you don't care about the money but think of the good it can do with 5 minutes or "work" on your part.
I'm out ......(will look for a reasonable answer from anyone)....but sincerely hope for the best for ALL, not only here at Delta, but at all carriers(got a coupla kids getting furloughed IMO).
As far as the discrepancy, I (even with a furlough) have a retirement plan and see myself getting there. Going early is part of it, so I would take the EO if I was in that spot. Perhaps, there are more bumps, cliffs, and absolute catastrophes our ahead of me than my plan can handle and it unravels. But until those hit, right now I can say I would take it. Those that qualify are looking at it having had the hits to their plans already so that I assume would explain the difference in numbers.
#99
I am still waiting patiently for somebody to explain the huuuge disparity in the poll numbers of... "would retire if I could(young guys)" and the "Eligible ,Yes I wil take the ERl"....84% vs 16%. Whether you like my explanation or not.....I was trying to explain what might account for that difference.
I think the OP included the non-eligible response as a way for non-eligible folks to vote (as they certainly would anyway on SM) and not cloud the results of those that are truly eligible. Perhaps a better way of writing the choices for non eligibles would have been “not eligible but I think it’s a good deal” or “not eligible and I think it’s a bad deal”, instead of voicing whether or not we’d take it. Like I said , I really wouldn’t read into the non-eligible responses at all, as none of us truly know until we’re in the situation at whatever age and with whatever circumstances we’re facing at the time.
Best of luck to all those that are considering the EO either way.
#100
Results
Here’s a quick summary of poll results.
Caveat - no idea if people were honest and I would be extremely surprised if this is anywhere close to actual numbers. I ignored all “not eligible“ responses. This poll is only for curiosity purposes, so please don’t take it too seriously.
Total eligible voters was 67.
27 age 60+, 40 are <60.
30 of 67 (45%) were yes or leaning yes.
11 (16%) were definite yes. That equates to 1297 of the 7900 total eligible.
If I include leaning yes (and a weighted factor of .75 to the leaning yes numbers), that’s about 25.25 of 67 (37.6%). That would be around 2977 takers.
Margin of error with 67 responses is about 12%.
Caveat - no idea if people were honest and I would be extremely surprised if this is anywhere close to actual numbers. I ignored all “not eligible“ responses. This poll is only for curiosity purposes, so please don’t take it too seriously.
Total eligible voters was 67.
27 age 60+, 40 are <60.
30 of 67 (45%) were yes or leaning yes.
11 (16%) were definite yes. That equates to 1297 of the 7900 total eligible.
If I include leaning yes (and a weighted factor of .75 to the leaning yes numbers), that’s about 25.25 of 67 (37.6%). That would be around 2977 takers.
Margin of error with 67 responses is about 12%.
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