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Old 08-12-2020, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by block30
"Yes. It's Japan. They've taken it seriously, they conduct quarantine, early testing, contact tracing, and so on"

I did read it. And to take off from the above quote, so is the US. My buddy is Japanese. He said they are not as draconian as the US has been. So whats this "theyve taken it seriously" talk and the anti masker talk too?
Japan has been very successful. People like wrxpilot use it to crap on the US response to the virus. Japan is different from our country in many ways. It’s hard to simply point at Japan and say “but look how much better they did”. Sure we could have handled this better and hopefully we learn, but it’s pretty simplistic of him to say that we aren’t taking this seriously as a country.
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Old 08-12-2020, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
In my post I never said anything about a mask being a cure all. In fact, I listed several factors that allowed Japan to maintain relatively free movement. I made that very clear, so I'm not sure why you're choosing to ignore it.
You did and Japan has done an exceptional job. The sentence after that you couldn’t help yourself had to throw some emotion into the fire with your anti-mask comment. The virus is here and widespread and we’re a little past the point where we can just copy what Japan did. This thing is going to run it’s course. Protect those at risk.
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Old 08-12-2020, 10:53 AM
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my prediction. Starting in Sept the number of passengers will dwindle below 500k per day. The vacation flyers will drop off. That second cares act could have saved some from the outgoing tide. But I fear a few airlines will be washed out to sea. Never to be seen again. Good luck to us all.
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Old 08-12-2020, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
Japan has been very successful. People like wrxpilot use it to crap on the US response to the virus. Japan is different from our country in many ways. It’s hard to simply point at Japan and say “but look how much better they did”. Sure we could have handled this better and hopefully we learn, but it’s pretty simplistic of him to say that we aren’t taking this seriously as a country.
No they haven't. They have outbreaks continuing all thru the summer. They are rabid maskers there. I lived there for 4 years. I get the emails still from US Embassy Tokyo. Here are the last 3 advisories due to the outbreaks ongoing in japan.
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Health Alert – U.S. Embassy Tokyo (August 5, 2020)

Location: Japan

Date: August 5, 2020



State of COVID-19 Measures in Japan

The U.S. Embassy and consulates continue to monitor closely the COVID-19 outbreak in Japan. Case numbers in Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, Fukuoka, Okinawa, and in other areas across Japan have risen significantly in the past two weeks, and many prefectural officials are requesting residents comply with specific mitigation efforts centered around refraining from visiting nightlife establishments and other non-essential outings and travel.

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Health Alert – U.S. Embassy Tokyo (July 22, 2020)
Location: Japan
Date: July 22, 2020

State of COVID-19 Measures in Japan

The U.S. Embassy continues to monitor closely the COVID-19 outbreak in Japan. In light of increasing cases, Tokyo Governor Koike continues to urge residents to avoid restaurants and other service establishments that lack proper infection-control and social distancing measures. According to press reports, later on July 22 Governor Koike will ask that Tokyo residents, especially elderly individuals and those with underlying health conditions, refrain from non-essential outings over the upcoming holiday weekend. She also asks that Tokyo residents refrain from crossing prefectural borders unless necessary.



On July 16th, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government raised its COVID-19 alert status to red.
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Health Alert – U.S. Embassy Tokyo (July 17, 2020)

Location: Japan

Date: July 17, 2020

State of COVID-19 Measures in Japan

The U.S. Embassy continues to monitor the COVID-19 outbreak in Japan closely. In response to higher infection rates in Tokyo over the past week, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government raised its COVID-19 alert status to red on July 16, the highest on the four-tiered scale. This alert indicates that the virus is spreading in Tokyo and the surrounding area. The Tokyo Metropolitan Government has also indicated an increased strain on local healthcare capacity. Many of Tokyo’s recent positive cases are connected to nightlife and theaters; however, an increasing number of infections are untraceable. Other prefectures, including Osaka, are also experiencing a spike in the number of confirmed cases. The uptick in positive cases in Osaka has been attributed to exposures in nightlife establishments, with most of the recent infections occurring in people ages 20-49.

Tokyo Governor Koike has urged residents to avoid restaurants and other service establishments that lack proper infection-control and social distancing measures. She has also asked that residents refrain from non-urgent travel to other prefectures. Some prefectural governments in other parts of Japan are urging their citizens to refrain from non-essential travel to Tokyo.
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there you go. Masks don't work, lockdowns don't work, social distancing doesn't work. this virus has to run its course. If Japan is struggling with it, given all their measures, I don't know what else I can show you as proof containment and spread mitigation is near impossible.

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Old 08-12-2020, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
Japan has been very successful. People like wrxpilot use it to crap on the US response to the virus. Japan is different from our country in many ways. It’s hard to simply point at Japan and say “but look how much better they did”. Sure we could have handled this better and hopefully we learn, but it’s pretty simplistic of him to say that we aren’t taking this seriously as a country.
Agreed x 2.
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Old 08-12-2020, 11:04 AM
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It may not even be the worst one. But the masks and social distancing have massively reduced things like the Flu, Measles, Whooping Cough, etc. I see literally NO SICK PEOPLE. If you are sick it's covid (sarcasm) nothing else is left.
Measles and whooping cough (pertussis. which is bacterial, not viral) have vaccines that are required by almost all school districts to attend, and have been for decades. If someone was getting these recently, that means they are either immuno-compromised to start with, or a dumb-ass.

Flu, on the other hand, will be the one to watch. As COVID wanes, watch for the Karens to continue to mandate masks based on the reduction of flu deaths.
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Old 08-12-2020, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I have covid and I know friends that have had it. In my experience, it hasn't been bad at all. 2 weeks later I still have a cough. I finally did a virtual visit to get some medication. 2 days of back pain and a few days of no smell and burning nostrils were the worst for me. I'm looking forward to getting back out there. I was really struggling to drive the boat and fish at the same time. I'm guessing I got it playing hockey. I'll be back at hockey soon. Life is too short to live in fear and give up the things you love doing.
The one thing i got out of the health department interview is that the bodys response to this infection is very much an individual experience.

Until you contract it...you dont have any idea what your personal reaction will be. Do you feel lucky?

Some are asymptomatic. Some die. Some have weeks or months of ongoing symptoms. Im 60+. Type O. No underlying health issues. And id never describe it as anything other than an extremely serious illness.than can kill you.

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Old 08-12-2020, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Roper92
If you wanted to enter a business, you needed a mask and that was the case before the state mandated them.
Not so much here. Very few businesses required them, and until the county/state stepped in a month or so ago, mask wear was pretty minimal. Our covid cases seem to be pretty much on par with every other city of similar size.
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Flu, on the other hand, will be the one to watch. As COVID wanes, watch for the Karens to continue to mandate masks based on the reduction of flu deaths.
Maybe if people stop acting like it’s a badge of honor to “power through” a cold and instead stay home when they are sick, that would help prevent many colds and influenza cases.

Hopefully the current trend of staying home when sick continues long term, along with better hygiene and sanitation. I like those ideas more than eternal masking wearing indefinitely forever.
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Not so much here. Very few businesses required them, and until the county/state stepped in a month or so ago, mask wear was pretty minimal. Our covid cases seem to be pretty much on par with every other city of similar size.
I'm curious how sick policy will be administered henceforth. Not just at Delta but everywhere, schools too.
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