IS this DISPLACEMENT REAL
05-31-2020, 07:05 PM
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IS this DISPLACEMENT REAL
DELTA Massive Displacement Bid Posted
Delta's Surplus Bid was awarded just a short time ago.Roughly 2300 Pilots now have no aircraft assignment as there weren't enough positions.
The Most Junior Captain on Property now is a 2001 Hire. Prior to this bid the most junior awarded captain was a 2018 hire.....
Crazy Times. This displacement is MASSIVE. The training churn predicted is in the thousands of training events. The belief among the ranks right now is that there's no way they can pull this bid off with the amount of training required. Time will tell soon, but this is just a wild day.
The amount of Mandatory displacements as-well mean that all those pilots won't be "seat locked" when eventually another bid comes and there will be more movement, not to mention if they decide to add some pilots back from the Unassigned category back to an active position.
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The geographic implications for some of those displaced is crazy. Seattle based 330 pilots getting displaced to the 737 in NYC.
Would like to point out this is not a projected furlough number. As stated before, the training with this bid would potentially take years. 90% of the 220 Fleet FOs alone are now being Un-Assigned. The company has the ability to cancel the bid, or award positions back that people can be reinstated from the Un-Assigned Pool.
Total Displacements per this bid are "6,964".
Being Un-Assigned or "UNA" means you get paid at the lowest airframe rate at FO pay. So B717 FO Pay, at your year of longevity for 72 Hours per Month/Bid Period. There is no commitment to the company as a UNA
05-31-2020, 07:13 PM
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Logistically I don’t see how management, much less the training dept, is planning on executing this.
That’s really unfortunate, heartbreaking news.
Hopefully this all ends before things go any further.
That’s really unfortunate, heartbreaking news.
Hopefully this all ends before things go any further.
05-31-2020, 07:14 PM
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DELTA Massive Displacement Bid Posted
Delta's Surplus Bid was awarded just a short time ago.Roughly 2300 Pilots now have no aircraft assignment as there weren't enough positions.
The Most Junior Captain on Property now is a 2001 Hire. Prior to this bid the most junior awarded captain was a 2018 hire.....
Crazy Times. This displacement is MASSIVE. The training churn predicted is in the thousands of training events. The belief among the ranks right now is that there's no way they can pull this bid off with the amount of training required. Time will tell soon, but this is just a wild day.
The amount of Mandatory displacements as-well mean that all those pilots won't be "seat locked" when eventually another bid comes and there will be more movement, not to mention if they decide to add some pilots back from the Unassigned category back to an active position.
Edits below :
The geographic implications for some of those displaced is crazy. Seattle based 330 pilots getting displaced to the 737 in NYC.
Would like to point out this is not a projected furlough number. As stated before, the training with this bid would potentially take years. 90% of the 220 Fleet FOs alone are now being Un-Assigned. The company has the ability to cancel the bid, or award positions back that people can be reinstated from the Un-Assigned Pool.
Total Displacements per this bid are "6,964".
Being Un-Assigned or "UNA" means you get paid at the lowest airframe rate at FO pay. So B717 FO Pay, at your year of longevity for 72 Hours per Month/Bid Period. There is no commitment to the company as a UNA
05-31-2020, 07:16 PM
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Of course it's real. Here it is. Why does anyone think it's not?
And I wish it wasn't...I've been displaced too, but thankfully not to UNA.
But a "fake" displacement would be some seriously keystone kops management moves, and we can accuse management of many things, but I don't think that. I think the company displaces and trains all the way down, then all the way back up, just so the FAs don't cry about something being "unfair" and use that as the final push for their union drive.
Upon further consideration, after typing that: FAs run the company, and it is some keystone kops decision making to run the full displacement, but there it is.
And I wish it wasn't...I've been displaced too, but thankfully not to UNA.
But a "fake" displacement would be some seriously keystone kops management moves, and we can accuse management of many things, but I don't think that. I think the company displaces and trains all the way down, then all the way back up, just so the FAs don't cry about something being "unfair" and use that as the final push for their union drive.
Upon further consideration, after typing that: FAs run the company, and it is some keystone kops decision making to run the full displacement, but there it is.
05-31-2020, 07:21 PM
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05-31-2020, 07:50 PM
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I just want to take a moment and congratulate the thread starter for his exemplary work in BIG LETTERS, paragraph use, pithy bullet points, and general "let's stir us up some ******!"
Truly, well done. Golf clap. Golf clap.
That is some quality toll work. There's literally dozens of places to put this, but you chose to put it here.
Bravo.
Truly, well done. Golf clap. Golf clap.
That is some quality toll work. There's literally dozens of places to put this, but you chose to put it here.
Bravo.
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