Scope and Compass Airlines
04-10-2020, 11:57 AM
#31
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they can, but management said two days ago that they are not projecting pilot hiring for about 2 yrs.
04-10-2020, 05:30 PM
#32
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I would gladly have the Compass Airlines Team continue operating them.
04-10-2020, 06:18 PM
#33
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Scope and Compass Airlines
2 months ago management told me we’d be hiring more pilots than they ever have and that if there was a downturn, we’d be best positioned to handle it.
Point is, no one knows what things will look like 6 months from now.
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04-10-2020, 06:41 PM
#34
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From the MEC email a few days ago:
LOA #9 Compass Flow Through
After Trans States Airlines purchased Compass from Delta in July 2010, the MEC negotiated a 4-party letter of agreement giving Delta pilots the right to flow down to Compass in the event of a furlough at Delta. In the subsequent 2012 PWA, that agreement became LOA #9 "Compass Flow Through." The 2012 PWA also included new language that reduces the maximum number of permitted 76-seat RJs by 35 in the event that the flow provisions of LOA #9 cease to be available to Delta pilots. In our current PWA, that provision can be found at Section 1 B. 47. f. Exception two, which states:
In the event the hiring or flow provisions of NWA LOA 2006-10 or LOA #9 cease to be available, either at the feeder carrier affiliate referenced in such LOAs or at another carrier, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft in Section 1 B. 47. e. will be reduced by 35.
What Does this Mean?
With Compass shutting down, the flow provision to Compass will cease to be available. Unless Delta provides for Delta pilots to have fully equivalent flow-down rights at another DCI carrier as of April 7, 2020, the maximum number of 76-seat RJs that the Company is permitted operate will be reduced by 35, from 223 to 188.
After Trans States Airlines purchased Compass from Delta in July 2010, the MEC negotiated a 4-party letter of agreement giving Delta pilots the right to flow down to Compass in the event of a furlough at Delta. In the subsequent 2012 PWA, that agreement became LOA #9 "Compass Flow Through." The 2012 PWA also included new language that reduces the maximum number of permitted 76-seat RJs by 35 in the event that the flow provisions of LOA #9 cease to be available to Delta pilots. In our current PWA, that provision can be found at Section 1 B. 47. f. Exception two, which states:
In the event the hiring or flow provisions of NWA LOA 2006-10 or LOA #9 cease to be available, either at the feeder carrier affiliate referenced in such LOAs or at another carrier, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft in Section 1 B. 47. e. will be reduced by 35.
What Does this Mean?
With Compass shutting down, the flow provision to Compass will cease to be available. Unless Delta provides for Delta pilots to have fully equivalent flow-down rights at another DCI carrier as of April 7, 2020, the maximum number of 76-seat RJs that the Company is permitted operate will be reduced by 35, from 223 to 188.
04-11-2020, 04:54 AM
#35
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Its always that damn fine print in such pronouncements.
04-11-2020, 05:03 AM
#36
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This is not a downturn. It’s a crash!
04-11-2020, 05:15 AM
#37
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Semantics. You sound like management. I can see Ed in a townhall saying “We said we were best positioned for a downturn, but I never mentioned a crash, slump, decline, or fall!”
It’s been said by a couple guys already (Denny?). Let’s wait until we are out of the absolute worst of it (this week) before we start forecasting the future. June/July demand will be more important than demand on April 11th.
04-11-2020, 07:32 AM
#38
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Whatever happens and whevener it happens. CPZ pilots should get multifaceted assistance and preference from ALPA, DALPA and DAL.
04-11-2020, 07:36 AM
#39
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While true, its a crash for the entire industry. Either our leaders are the most talented genuises in the history of the industry or they're not. Which is it?
If this sumer means 30% of original demand is back, DL should be doing some amount over that 30%. If by next summer its 75%, DL should be doing greater than that. DL should lead domestic and international recovery grading on the curve, regardless of how good or bad the industry is in general.
Greatest geniuses in the history of the industry. Right? If that's true, it will be easily proven by DL recovering faster than anyone else. Right?
If this sumer means 30% of original demand is back, DL should be doing some amount over that 30%. If by next summer its 75%, DL should be doing greater than that. DL should lead domestic and international recovery grading on the curve, regardless of how good or bad the industry is in general.
Greatest geniuses in the history of the industry. Right? If that's true, it will be easily proven by DL recovering faster than anyone else. Right?
04-11-2020, 08:15 AM
#40
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While true, its a crash for the entire industry. Either our leaders are the most talented genuises in the history of the industry or they're not. Which is it?
If this sumer means 30% of original demand is back, DL should be doing some amount over that 30%. If by next summer its 75%, DL should be doing greater than that. DL should lead domestic and international recovery grading on the curve, regardless of how good or bad the industry is in general.
Greatest geniuses in the history of the industry. Right? If that's true, it will be easily proven by DL recovering faster than anyone else. Right?
If this sumer means 30% of original demand is back, DL should be doing some amount over that 30%. If by next summer its 75%, DL should be doing greater than that. DL should lead domestic and international recovery grading on the curve, regardless of how good or bad the industry is in general.
Greatest geniuses in the history of the industry. Right? If that's true, it will be easily proven by DL recovering faster than anyone else. Right?
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