March 31st Townhall
03-31-2020, 04:21 PM
#41
Quality of Lifer
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: M88A
Posts: 677
The company knew the circumstances. They made a calculated choice and won. We got played, plain and simple. As long as we learn from it going forward, I’m glad it happened. I don’t think the big plays have come out so we have bigger fights ahead. Better they know who they are dealing with has shifted. Also better we know who we are dealing with. Seems we always want to believe the best in them.
03-31-2020, 04:22 PM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,149
From a legal writing standpoint, "will" is not the preferable term to be used in contracts. "Shall" is used in contracts to denote mandatory obligations while "may" is used to denote permissive or optional/non-mandatory conduct.
03-31-2020, 05:42 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,982
He said $10M a month but I bet it is closer to $35M if 4,000 people took them. Times 2 months. $70M for the quarter. $105M for Q3. It all counts and they are flushing money down the lav. Irresponsible during a fiscal crisis.
The contrast is they want us to shut down the APU and single engine taxi to save money.
The contrast is they want us to shut down the APU and single engine taxi to save money.
03-31-2020, 05:45 PM
#44
Quality of Lifer
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: M88A
Posts: 677
well said!
03-31-2020, 06:10 PM
#46
Has a furrowed brow
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,203
The company knew the circumstances. They made a calculated choice and won. We got played, plain and simple. As long as we learn from it going forward, I’m glad it happened. I don’t think the big plays have come out so we have bigger fights ahead. Better they know who they are dealing with has shifted. Also better we know who we are dealing with. Seems we always want to believe the best in them.
I don’t believe the best in them.
I’d also argue they didn’t “win”. If anything, they ****ed off 14,500 employees when they did this, only to then ask us to take a pay cut (which the MEC told them to rightly pound sand).
You are right in that a lesson was learned, and it will get messy before it’s over. But they united the pilot union, which can only benefit us in the long run.
03-31-2020, 06:22 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: Wind checker
Posts: 773
I’m thinking lots of things that were hot topics of discussion for savings aren’t going to make the cut in this brave new world.
03-31-2020, 06:29 PM
#48
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
Contract talks are a whole different animal. They’ve burned that bridge and have a long chasm to cross to ask for help.
03-31-2020, 06:36 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,733
you’re missing the part where loss of employee goodwill might make that savings a negative number. If 2000 VLOAs at under $6k a month don’t get taken for a single month (vice multiple months for the $10m savings number) because “screw you the pilots get paid leave,” the $10m savings is suddenly a cost item.
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