March 31st Townhall
03-31-2020, 12:15 PM
#11
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Good video for tactical issues but terrible for strategic. I came away with the impression they were still fumbling through the crisis and were hopeful to stumble on the right solution.
03-31-2020, 12:23 PM
#12
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But they saved the best for last. When asked why they aren’t doing SILs, they claimed it would only save 10 million per month and wasn’t worth upsetting the other 25,000 employees. So, the speculation is over, that’s why they pulled the SILs. No mention that the other employees would recoup close to 100% of their regular pay with federal/state unemployment and then return to work with no expectation to have work hours cut. American and United will eventually state how much SILs saved them and it will be at least 15 million/month.
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But they saved the best for last. When asked why they aren’t doing SILs, they claimed it would only save 10 million per month and wasn’t worth upsetting the other 25,000 employees. So, the speculation is over, that’s why they pulled the SILs. No mention that the other employees would recoup close to 100% of their regular pay with federal/state unemployment and then return to work with no expectation to have work hours cut. American and United will eventually state how much SILs saved them and it will be at least 15 million/month.
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03-31-2020, 12:27 PM
#13
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Maybe it's a little more complicated than we are giving them credit for. If they got 25000 employees to take NO money for a month, ...that probably saves Delta 100 million per month. That pay has been foisted upon the state and unemployment coverage. If the reports are correct on the forum that individuals can receive the same pay and it doesnt come from Delta coffers....GOOD. That leaves mo money for the rest of the employees. If those employees(who took LOA's) figure "screw it, things aren't fair , I'll just stay on the payroll" that hurts all of us.
I'm not making excuses for anything, but it is possible that more goes into this other than ...."mgt is stupid and they are poking us in the eye just because they can"..... "Im pizzed"
I'm not making excuses for anything, but it is possible that more goes into this other than ...."mgt is stupid and they are poking us in the eye just because they can"..... "Im pizzed"
03-31-2020, 12:43 PM
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My Impressions:
Right now there is no plan, they have a group trying to figure out what the demand will be 6,12,18 months out.
They did say they expect international to return slower than domestic demand.
They did not answer most of the difficult questions.
They saved SILs for last with a pre-planned answer. The following is just my opinion.
My impression of the tone and demeanor of the answer was that they wanted to give us the message that SILs are a slap in the face to the rest of the employees in the company. The stern emotion displayed with the answer seemed a little forced to me. As in you are now forcing us to take other actions.
Right now there is no plan, they have a group trying to figure out what the demand will be 6,12,18 months out.
They did say they expect international to return slower than domestic demand.
They did not answer most of the difficult questions.
They saved SILs for last with a pre-planned answer. The following is just my opinion.
My impression of the tone and demeanor of the answer was that they wanted to give us the message that SILs are a slap in the face to the rest of the employees in the company. The stern emotion displayed with the answer seemed a little forced to me. As in you are now forcing us to take other actions.
03-31-2020, 12:45 PM
#17
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But if only 15K employees took the LOA because they offered pilot SIL's net net they would lose money
We dont know how many pilots would have taken them if offered. UAL culled 1500 less than offered. I get it, so you have convinced me. Now I'm pizzed too. But I am not only upset with mgt, but also with the MEC. They got totally outfoxed. Whey they didnt get the provisions of the SIL's nailed down was a totally rookie move!
We dont know how many pilots would have taken them if offered. UAL culled 1500 less than offered. I get it, so you have convinced me. Now I'm pizzed too. But I am not only upset with mgt, but also with the MEC. They got totally outfoxed. Whey they didnt get the provisions of the SIL's nailed down was a totally rookie move!
03-31-2020, 12:53 PM
#18
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I’ve been asking myself this since it happened. Do we have lawyers reviewing this stuff or just pilots? The weak wording left it open to the company to pull it away and there was nothing that could be done. Almost hard to be ****ed at the company when we (the MEC) agreed to the language.
03-31-2020, 12:56 PM
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03-31-2020, 01:00 PM
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I’ve been asking myself this since it happened. Do we have lawyers reviewing this stuff or just pilots? The weak wording left it open to the company to pull it away and there was nothing that could be done. Almost hard to be ****ed at the company when we (the MEC) agreed to the language.
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