Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
23K/Recovery Questions Thread >

23K/Recovery Questions Thread

Search

Notices

23K/Recovery Questions Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-26-2020, 05:13 AM
  #1  
Moderator
Thread Starter
 
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 7,014
Default 23K/Recovery Questions Thread

I have renamed this thread to make it a one stop shopping for 23K/Recovery/Reroute type questions. Thanks for all the responses - We will also pin this thread for the time being.

I have a trip tonight starting with a red-eye that has been cancelled. Can someone please explain the new 23K policy to me and type very slowly. If I understand it correctly (which I probably don't) I am basically on long call and will be given a 12 hour heads up for any assignment. Is this correct?

As a commuter can they assign me another trip last minute in which case I will need to commute in?

Day 2 is a DH only so that's not needed. I guess if Day three goes and I have not been assigned something else I can DV8 on Day 2 to be in potion on Day 3.

Thanks Scoop

Last edited by Scoop; 03-26-2020 at 05:42 AM.
Scoop is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:15 AM
  #2  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,038
Default

Let us know what happens. I think by the end of April, we are all going to be well-versed in how 23k works.
hockeypilot44 is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:19 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,689
Default

Originally Posted by Scoop
I have a trip tonight starting with a red-eye that has been cancelled. Can someone please explain the new 23K policy to me and type very slowly. If I understand it correctly (which I probably don't) I am basically on long call and will be given a 12 hour heads up for any assignment. Is this correct?

As a commuter can they assign me another trip last minute in which case I will need to commute in?

Day 2 is a DH only so that's not needed. I guess if Day three goes and I have not been assigned something else I can DV8 on Day 2 to be in potion on Day 3.

Thanks Scoop
If the rotation is not cancelled I don’t believe you have any obligation.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:21 AM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 438
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
If the rotation is not cancelled I don’t believe you have any obligation.
Agree. Rotation has to be cx’d
53x11 is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:31 AM
  #5  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Abouttime2fish's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: MD88
Posts: 1,435
Default

Good luck. Company hasn’t been following g rules or at all consistent in what they do. If they cancel first leg, supposed to NOOP the rotation and put you in 23k. I’ve got a trip today they did that. But my trip on the 20th? Nope. Just kept me on the hook for day 2 after cancelling all of day 1 and first half of day 2.
Abouttime2fish is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:37 AM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 339
Default

I have a 1 day on the 28th that both leg cancelled. Still on my line. What is my obligation? It has not been NOOP. Trying to plan commute
dc10guy is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 05:42 AM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,689
Default

Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
Good luck. Company hasn’t been following g rules or at all consistent in what they do. If they cancel first leg, supposed to NOOP the rotation and put you in 23k. I’ve got a trip today they did that. But my trip on the 20th? Nope. Just kept me on the hook for day 2 after cancelling all of day 1 and first half of day 2.
There is no requirement for the company to cancel a rotation because the first leg or day cancels. In fact the contract specifically allows the company to deadhead you to pick up the remainder of the rotation.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 06:23 AM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: May 2010
Posts: 310
Default

My understanding:

First leg cancels and you are on the hook for reassignment up until original report time +6 hours (no change to current contract)

Any reassignment during that 6 hour window will come with no less than 12 hours to the new report time (as opposed to "promptly available")

So, there is no obligation of the company to do anything to your cancelled first day until as late as original report time +6 hours and they must have you back within your original footprint +4 hours.
PapaMike is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 06:31 AM
  #9  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,689
Default

Note the first line in the 23K section. Everything else is contingent on that.

1. A regular pilot who is removed from a rotation due to IROPS affecting his rotation
sailingfun is offline  
Old 03-26-2020, 06:42 AM
  #10  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 438
Default

Per the definition of IROP, the only way possible I see him having 23K obligation is if his cx was due to another cx. Am I reading that right?
53x11 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
2GoodEngines
ExpressJet
27
01-21-2020 06:49 PM
CaptainCarl
Trans States Airlines
10900
12-31-2015 11:54 AM
Pinchanickled
Regional
11
12-21-2010 03:58 PM
vagabond
Cargo
4
12-14-2010 06:03 AM
meloveboeing
Regional
5
10-02-2010 07:47 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices