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Old 12-14-2020, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...

First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.

Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks

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I think it has to operate within the footprint of the original trip.
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Old 12-14-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I think it has to operate within the footprint of the original trip.
‘From what I can gather domestic recovery flying has to get you back with in 4 hours of your original rotation whereas international recovery flying has to get you back same calendar day. But what happens if you get domestic recovery flying for an international trip that was NOOP’d?

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
‘From what I can gather domestic recovery flying has to get you back with in 4 hours of your original rotation whereas international recovery flying has to get you back same calendar day.

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You are correct. I just looked it up under 23k.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
You are correct. I just looked it up under 23k.
Thanks. In regards to recovery flying I think we are correct but........am I subject to recovery flying in the first place? I believe 23k (recovery flying) is in regards to an IROP. The company has stopped all PVG nonstop flying for the rest of this month and NOOP’d the trips. Is this considered an IROP? If not (and I don’t see how it is) I don’t think 23k applies. I will find out in a couple days...

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Old 12-14-2020, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Thanks. In regards to recovery flying I think we are correct but........am I subject to recovery flying in the first place? I believe 23k (recovery flying) is in regards to an IROP. The company has stopped all PVG nonstop flying for the rest of this month and NOOP’d the trips. Is this considered an IROP? If not (and I don’t see how it is) I don’t think 23k applies. I will find out in a couple days...

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A cancelled leg constitutes an IROP.

“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified, diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I think it has to operate within the footprint of the original trip.
This is correct for company-assigned recovery flying. If you choose to do a recovery slip via PCS then it can be any time in the bid period.
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
A cancelled leg constitutes an IROP.

“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified, diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof
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Old 12-15-2020, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...

First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.

Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks

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I believe it's with in 2 hours (domestic) or same calendar day when doing an international trip.
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I believe it's with in 2 hours (domestic) or same calendar day when doing an international trip.
4 hours domestic
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...

First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.

Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks

Denny
You will be subject to recovery flying. You have options to choose a trip from open time. The scheduling reference handbook has a excellent section on how that works. If you do nothing and no flying is assigned prior to report or you don’t acknowledge that flying the following applies.

He must remain immediately available for a period of up to six hours after the originally sched-uled report time and be prepared to depart immediately on recovery flying unless released. The FDP will begin at sign in. 2) He can be assigned flying that reports on any day of the original rotation, and that releases no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release. An international category pilot may be assigned recovery flying scheduled to release no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release, or the same calendar day, whichever is later, provided the last duty period of the recovery flying is a transoceanic duty period. 3) If he is assigned recovery flying that: a) reports at least five hours after notification and in the same duty period, or b) reports after a break in duty and in the same calendar day, he is entitled to a hotel room. 4) Recovery flying must be assigned no later than six hours after the originally scheduled report time.
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