23K/Recovery Questions Thread
#551
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,039
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
#552
Denny
#553
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,039
#554
Thanks. In regards to recovery flying I think we are correct but........am I subject to recovery flying in the first place? I believe 23k (recovery flying) is in regards to an IROP. The company has stopped all PVG nonstop flying for the rest of this month and NOOP’d the trips. Is this considered an IROP? If not (and I don’t see how it is) I don’t think 23k applies. I will find out in a couple days...
Denny
Denny
#555
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 614
Thanks. In regards to recovery flying I think we are correct but........am I subject to recovery flying in the first place? I believe 23k (recovery flying) is in regards to an IROP. The company has stopped all PVG nonstop flying for the rest of this month and NOOP’d the trips. Is this considered an IROP? If not (and I don’t see how it is) I don’t think 23k applies. I will find out in a couple days...
Denny
Denny
“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified, diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof
#556
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,891
#557
A cancelled leg constitutes an IROP.
“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified, diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof
“Irregular operations” (IROPS) means an event(s) in the system (e.g., sickness, fatigue or no-show of another pilot, weather, mechanical, aircraft type substitution, substitution of one aircraft model for another aircraft model on which the pilot is not qualified, diversion, cancellation, overflight, misconnect, application of the FARs) that causes a pilot to be removed from his scheduled rotation or portion thereof
Thanks for that.
Denny
#558
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
I believe it's with in 2 hours (domestic) or same calendar day when doing an international trip.
#560
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,689
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
He must remain immediately available for a period of up to six hours after the originally sched-uled report time and be prepared to depart immediately on recovery flying unless released. The FDP will begin at sign in. 2) He can be assigned flying that reports on any day of the original rotation, and that releases no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release. An international category pilot may be assigned recovery flying scheduled to release no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release, or the same calendar day, whichever is later, provided the last duty period of the recovery flying is a transoceanic duty period. 3) If he is assigned recovery flying that: a) reports at least five hours after notification and in the same duty period, or b) reports after a break in duty and in the same calendar day, he is entitled to a hotel room. 4) Recovery flying must be assigned no later than six hours after the originally scheduled report time.
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