23K/Recovery Questions Thread
11-23-2020, 06:33 PM
#542
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Joined APC: Nov 2020
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I am a line holder with a 3 day trip on the 25th. Today they made changes to my trip. On day two I was to fly SEA-ATL, then ATL-BDL with layover. Next day, fly BDL-ATL then ATL-DTW to end trip. Now they took me off flights to and from BDL on different days and just gave very long layover in Atl from 26th to evening of 27th to fly leg back to Dtw. Is this legal? Can they change my trip two days out? 23.l.2 seems to sound like they can't but 23.g.2 sounds like they can.
11-23-2020, 07:30 PM
#543
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,039
I am a line holder with a 3 day trip on the 25th. Today they made changes to my trip. On day two I was to fly SEA-ATL, then ATL-BDL with layover. Next day, fly BDL-ATL then ATL-DTW to end trip. Now they took me off flights to and from BDL on different days and just gave very long layover in Atl from 26th to evening of 27th to fly leg back to Dtw. Is this legal? Can they change my trip two days out? 23.l.2 seems to sound like they can't but 23.g.2 sounds like they can.
11-23-2020, 10:17 PM
#544
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,778
I am a line holder with a 3 day trip on the 25th. Today they made changes to my trip. On day two I was to fly SEA-ATL, then ATL-BDL with layover. Next day, fly BDL-ATL then ATL-DTW to end trip. Now they took me off flights to and from BDL on different days and just gave very long layover in Atl from 26th to evening of 27th to fly leg back to Dtw. Is this legal? Can they change my trip two days out? 23.l.2 seems to sound like they can't but 23.g.2 sounds like they can.
11-24-2020, 06:20 AM
#546
Rerouted On Weekends
Joined APC: Oct 2015
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11-24-2020, 07:13 AM
#547
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 614
I am a line holder with a 3 day trip on the 25th. Today they made changes to my trip. On day two I was to fly SEA-ATL, then ATL-BDL with layover. Next day, fly BDL-ATL then ATL-DTW to end trip. Now they took me off flights to and from BDL on different days and just gave very long layover in Atl from 26th to evening of 27th to fly leg back to Dtw. Is this legal? Can they change my trip two days out? 23.l.2 seems to sound like they can't but 23.g.2 sounds like they can.
Sounds legal. Read PWA 23.K.1.E.
Feel free to PM me and i can look at it more in depth if you'd like.
11-24-2020, 08:07 PM
#548
Dabbling in Pacifism
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Speed of sound tour
Posts: 115
Green-slip->NOOP/23k
I was awarded a green slip that cancelled over 24 hours from report. Then obviously I got 23k so straight pay for the noop green slip, but if I am assigned flying in the foot print of that green slip will it be paid at green slip pay for the higher of the original rotation or the recovery trip?
I answered my own question...
23.k.1d single pay for original rotation PLUS Double pay for whatever was actually flown.
I answered my own question...
23.k.1d single pay for original rotation PLUS Double pay for whatever was actually flown.
Last edited by crzepilot; 11-24-2020 at 08:21 PM.
12-07-2020, 07:34 AM
#549
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 724
Does anyone know if a flight number change has any 23K implications? Today I got two CNO calls about schedule changes. At first I couldn't figure what had even changed until I noticed a new flight number on a return leg of a round trip (two separate trips, both had a flight number change). It doesn't seem like a schedule change to me (dept/arrival times stayed the same) but I did get the CNO call and an iCrew pop-up.
I read the ALPA scheduling alert on dept/arr time changes and I'm still unsure.
I read the ALPA scheduling alert on dept/arr time changes and I'm still unsure.
12-14-2020, 11:15 AM
#550
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
I should know the answers to these questions but don’t. So here goes...
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
First, if your whole pairing is NOOP’d/cancelled by the company, are you subject to recovery flying? Second, if you ARE subject to recovery flying, when is the latest time the company has to have you back in base? I am talking an international pairing that has been cancelled.
Was supposed to do a 3 day PVG trip that has been NOOP’d. I understand about the 6 hrs from sign in but am unsure how long a recovery assignment can legally be......I THINK, if I am subject to recovery flying, it has to get me back in base on the same calendar day. Yes, No? Thanks
Denny
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