23K/Recovery Questions Thread
04-04-2020, 06:37 AM
#291
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Trying to clarify.
04-04-2020, 07:26 AM
#292
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So the three day rotation was initially revised as I described above. I acknowledged and this morning just got another message in MiCrew of the rotation now Noop. I should be free of obligation now as the modified rotation went noop?
if I go on icrew and select current schedule then select display reserve call status it says short Call at original rotation time for 6 hours?
if I go on icrew and select current schedule then select display reserve call status it says short Call at original rotation time for 6 hours?
No you should not show a 6 hour window on the reserve status page.
04-04-2020, 07:30 AM
#293
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Okay, we've been doing this for a solid week now. Has anyone rolled the dice and not thrown in a RS? If so, was there a call-out? And if there was, was it during the initial 6 hr period? Or was it later? Was it exactly 12 hrs from call to report?
I'd just like to see how this 12 hr policy of RG's plays out in real life.
TIA
I'd just like to see how this 12 hr policy of RG's plays out in real life.
TIA
The only way to ensure you have the 12 hour notification exception is to 1) ACK the original rotation NOOP, and 2) Don't ACK anything else from the company before original rotation report time (start of 6 hour window).
Based on how little is showing up in OT right now, I'm gong to roll the dice and not submit a Recovery Slip.
04-04-2020, 07:33 AM
#294
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Since we are not in double 23K situation right now, crew scheds can only modify your rotation once before the first airborne departure.
Once you have the recovery rotation, the only accpetable change that doesn't count 2nd recovery is if crew scheds removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH, and then changes that DH to a different DH. Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments.
Once you have the recovery rotation, the only accpetable change that doesn't count 2nd recovery is if crew scheds removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH, and then changes that DH to a different DH. Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments.
A change would be a different flight number/city pair.
04-04-2020, 07:38 AM
#295
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The takeaway is this: If the reason for the "change" to the rotation is due to one of the 11 items listed under IROP definition (2.A.149), and cancelling is one of those reasons, that drives 23K to be in play, and not 23G
04-04-2020, 09:13 AM
#296
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Here’s some new questions.
We saw in the scheduling email yesterday that on a recovery trip you can only be changed from operate to DH or vice versa but can you be changed from operate to double DH to position you for your next flight?
Also, can they reduce the report time from 1 hr to 45 min to allow you to report as scheduled and make a DH flight?
We saw in the scheduling email yesterday that on a recovery trip you can only be changed from operate to DH or vice versa but can you be changed from operate to double DH to position you for your next flight?
Also, can they reduce the report time from 1 hr to 45 min to allow you to report as scheduled and make a DH flight?
04-04-2020, 09:18 AM
#297
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I did submit and get awarded a RS for a trip that started several days later than my original. The OT wasn’t worth chancing in my situation. The new trip showed the last leg cancelled before I was awarded and still does. After checking on it today, the first leg doesn’t exist in travelnet anymore and some of the other legs are on other equipment but none of this is updated on icrew yet. I’m not sure if there is a delay in posting to icrew but that first leg not being updated to “leg cancelled” smells fishy right now. It could be their way of making me show up. But there’s little point in that since they’d be risking a double 23k at this point. It’s still a few days away so plenty of time left to fix it. At this point, I want to work the trip. I’m not loving the sheltered life.
04-04-2020, 09:39 AM
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Here’s some new questions.
We saw in the scheduling email yesterday that on a recovery trip you can only be changed from operate to DH or vice versa but can you be changed from operate to double DH to position you for your next flight?
Also, can they reduce the report time from 1 hr to 45 min to allow you to report as scheduled and make a DH flight?
We saw in the scheduling email yesterday that on a recovery trip you can only be changed from operate to DH or vice versa but can you be changed from operate to double DH to position you for your next flight?
Also, can they reduce the report time from 1 hr to 45 min to allow you to report as scheduled and make a DH flight?
"After recovery #1, the only acceptable change that does not count as a second recovery is if Crew Scheduling removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH (recovery #1), then subsequently changes that same DH to a different DH (not recovery #2). Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments"
And depending on when you are notified, changing from DH to an operate leg can be a FAR 117 violation.
04-04-2020, 09:40 AM
#299
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Ok, I have an upcoming trip that's been 23k'd and I've acknowledged that. On A day of the original trip, I will commute in to be in place for any recovery flying (the new 12 hour callout really does no good for most commuters in this era of reduced flight frequency) So let's assume that during the 6 hour window after the original report I am assigned recovery that that starts on the morning of B day. Am I correct that under section 5.E.1.c that I am owed a hotel in base and if so, who do I talk to to make that happen
04-04-2020, 09:43 AM
#300
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I did not read it to mean you could be changed from Operate to DH or vice versa:
"After recovery #1, the only acceptable change that does not count as a second recovery is if Crew Scheduling removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH (recovery #1), then subsequently changes that same DH to a different DH (not recovery #2). Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments"
"After recovery #1, the only acceptable change that does not count as a second recovery is if Crew Scheduling removes legs from your original rotation and adds a DH (recovery #1), then subsequently changes that same DH to a different DH (not recovery #2). Otherwise, any other changes are considered subsequent illegal assignments"
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