23K/Recovery Questions Thread
04-02-2020, 04:09 PM
#251
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Thank you both for your replies. That simplifed it CaptDobb, I couldnt parse that out of all the documents. So here's my next couple of questions. How is "notified" defined? Is it a phone call? Acknowledging message in MiCrew? Acknowledging message in iCrew? I saw a three day trip starting on the 5th go from NOOP to 23k (I understand 23k to be an obligation/pay thing). And another trip starting on the 15th showing 23k. I think what confuses some people is they can see NOOP or 23k and we are not sure of the difference.
Honestly I have hit the acknowledge button in MiCrew so many times and typed my password in iCrew, I cannot recall if I was "notified" or not...but I know I was not called. Is there a way to see if you were notified or acknowledged?
I think DWC nailed the problem, the fork in the road...I think a lot of pilots, junior and senior, are going to assume they can stay home and wait for a notification of a recovery trip with the 12hour relief.
Honestly I have hit the acknowledge button in MiCrew so many times and typed my password in iCrew, I cannot recall if I was "notified" or not...but I know I was not called. Is there a way to see if you were notified or acknowledged?
I think DWC nailed the problem, the fork in the road...I think a lot of pilots, junior and senior, are going to assume they can stay home and wait for a notification of a recovery trip with the 12hour relief.
The NOOP just means the trip is no longer operating. If the cause of the NOOP is covered under the definion of IROP (2.A.149), that is what drives it to 23.K
And "23K" on the monthly schedule is just a pay status code...it does not imply recovery obligation
04-02-2020, 04:42 PM
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Honestly I cannot remember if I "was notified" or "acknowledged" the change of status, is there a way to find out? Should I call CS and just let them know because its far better to be able to sit at home until assigned a trip.
04-02-2020, 04:47 PM
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In 10 years when we get a new PWA, this obviously needs to be simplified. Between APC and Facebook there are probably 100 threads with 1,000 questions. It shouldn’t require a decision tree/flow chart.
04-02-2020, 04:50 PM
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04-02-2020, 04:53 PM
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I've seen you state this before...what implies the recovery obligation? How do we know the difference?
Honestly I cannot remember if I "was notified" or "acknowledged" the change of status, is there a way to find out? Should I call CS and just let them know because its far better to be able to sit at home until assigned a trip.
Honestly I cannot remember if I "was notified" or "acknowledged" the change of status, is there a way to find out? Should I call CS and just let them know because its far better to be able to sit at home until assigned a trip.
Normally anything that needs to be acknowledged will result in a pop on iCrew. I don’t know of anyway to for the individual pilot to see the acknowledgement on your schedule or the individual rotation.
04-02-2020, 05:29 PM
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I've seen you state this before...what implies the recovery obligation? How do we know the difference?
Honestly I cannot remember if I "was notified" or "acknowledged" the change of status, is there a way to find out? Should I call CS and just let them know because its far better to be able to sit at home until assigned a trip.
Honestly I cannot remember if I "was notified" or "acknowledged" the change of status, is there a way to find out? Should I call CS and just let them know because its far better to be able to sit at home until assigned a trip.
04-02-2020, 05:32 PM
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Hence my sarcastic congratulations to ALPA and Delta for making something so simply into something so F$#%&@ difficult.
I think I understand enough now to keep out of trouble and protect my pay...ALPA has issued some memos and alerts, but they are falling miserably short in telling us "what we have to do" and "what we don't have to do". You gentlemen(women) did that. I don't blame the company, this is completely ALPAs responsibility and purpose. Whatever DTW has put out needs to get to all.
Cheers!...Bourbon time
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