Delta slowing hiring due to age 67
12-29-2019, 11:05 PM
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Not that it couldn’t happen, but this rumor has been popping up every so often and it always seems to start with “My AME said.......”
It is in ALPA’s strategic plan to oppose any increase in age 65 by unanimous vote as I recall by the BOD. I don’t believe there is anywhere close to the same split amongst the pilots that allowed the law to change last time.
Also, considering the amount of pilots retiring before the current mandatory age, I would say that a significant number of pilots who are “a year or 2 away” apparently feel that 65 is too high much less 67.
It is in ALPA’s strategic plan to oppose any increase in age 65 by unanimous vote as I recall by the BOD. I don’t believe there is anywhere close to the same split amongst the pilots that allowed the law to change last time.
Also, considering the amount of pilots retiring before the current mandatory age, I would say that a significant number of pilots who are “a year or 2 away” apparently feel that 65 is too high much less 67.
12-30-2019, 03:24 AM
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12-30-2019, 06:58 AM
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I also could care less. If, and it’s a big if, 67 happens it will be a blip compared to the 60-65 jump. Here is why:
Thousands of Pilots just had their pensions terminated, frozen, greatly reduced, etc. Not so this time.
Hundreds if not thousands were still on furlough. Not so this time.
Many were not hiring back then. Not so this time.
Many who were “Good to go at 60” will not be at 65.
While some may relish this opportunity, and good for them, many want to enjoy their retirement.
I just don’t think it matters and am basically agnostic on the whole issue.
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Thousands of Pilots just had their pensions terminated, frozen, greatly reduced, etc. Not so this time.
Hundreds if not thousands were still on furlough. Not so this time.
Many were not hiring back then. Not so this time.
Many who were “Good to go at 60” will not be at 65.
While some may relish this opportunity, and good for them, many want to enjoy their retirement.
I just don’t think it matters and am basically agnostic on the whole issue.
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12-30-2019, 07:35 AM
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I’m not sure there’s any real negotiation, but if industry needs something done, they usually buy enough influence to make it happen. ALPA needs to step up their game if we really oppose it.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2014/02/1...-solution.html
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2014/02/1...-solution.html
12-30-2019, 08:03 AM
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Also, was Age 65 a controversy in Congress? Was there much debate in Congress on this topic before it was passed on to the President for his signature? Was it a controversy for the flying public? The airlines?
This topic seems to be a point of contention only among us. And the only reason is financial.
12-30-2019, 08:24 AM
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I’m not sure there’s any real negotiation, but if industry needs something done, they usually buy enough influence to make it happen. ALPA needs to step up their game if we really oppose it.
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2014/02/1...-solution.html
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2014/02/1...-solution.html
The "Fair Treatment For Experienced Pilots Act" wasn't introduced in Congress by Jim Oberstar until ALPA changed policy and formally supported raising the mandatory retirement age in May 2007, after member polling that only reached plurality for change by combining "Drop Opposition" and "Modify Policy" survey responses.
12-30-2019, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
Also, was Age 65 a controversy in Congress? Was there much debate in Congress on this topic before it was passed on to the President for his signature?
The Fair Treatment For Experienced Pilots Act was introduced by Jim Oberstar in the House on 11 Dec 07 and passed the same day on a vote to 390-0, passed the Senate on 12 Dec 07 via Unanimous Consent, and was signed into law by GWB on 13 Dec 07.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-...43/all-actions
12-30-2019, 09:07 AM
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The Senator that made the most noise about it over the years was Ted Stevens from Alaska. He was very outspoken about age 60 over the years. He died in a plane crash and his pilot was 67 as I recall. I am not saying age had anything to do with it. I just thought it was ironic.
ALPA basically did not fight age 65 back then. John Prater ran on raising the age and pilots at ALPA and other unions were really split on the subject. I think you will find the numbers much different this time around as evidenced by the ALP BOD vote.
ALPA basically did not fight age 65 back then. John Prater ran on raising the age and pilots at ALPA and other unions were really split on the subject. I think you will find the numbers much different this time around as evidenced by the ALP BOD vote.
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