Originally Posted by NavyFlyer

Scope is our career. It is the most important thing we have in our contract.

Originally Posted by NavyFlyer

This is utterly ridiculous and counter to any rational thought. The guys on the 4th floor want to outsource everything. Why? Because: money.

Outsourcing is cheaper. I don’t begrudge them their position, but I’ll fight it as much as I can. I want big jets and a big time career: for me. For us. In Delta uniforms, on Delta metal.

Just because you got hired young and at the beginning of the bow wave, and are living the dream as a very young captain, doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t want a shot at flying a big jet in the left seat in the future. Please don’t counter our Union proposals just because your personal situation is rosy. Scope is our career. It is the most important thing we have in our contract.


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Originally Posted by hookshot123

First to establish where I am coming from, I am a super widebody Captain (junior in seat) and retire in 5 years.

Old Guys: Sure I would like a few extra retirement bucks but to be honest the amount we are talking about is not really going to move the needle. I personally would be happy with a good pay raise. But this group does need something to get them onboard. Maybe money or how about retirement medical benefits that everyone could eventually benefit from. But we (older guys) have to realize this contract is not going to make anyone's retirement whole and delaying things only hurts us.

Young Guys: I thought this was going to be the scope contract, delaying this contract till enough senior guys retire is cutting off your nose to spite your face. In a couple of years the scope ship will have sailed, the LATAM and other codeshares will be established, and planes will have been ordered. While you have many years to go the scope fight is right now. Your career losses from not getting scope now will dwarf any retirement money you are upset about.

This was also supposed to be the quality of life contract. There is no retro pay on QOL items.

And for everyone: How long do you think this goldilocks negotiating environment will last?

My point is we need to find our common ground or we are going to miss out on one of the best negotiating environment any of us will ever see with all this bickering.

JMHO

Originally Posted by Trip7

7 330s and 4 350s coming this year alone. And that's just the beginning. What a time to be a Delta pilot

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

He's, as usual, off on his own wacky island. I was hired very young at the beginning of a wave and completely disagree with him.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

As a moderator I would think that you could get your opinion across without the personal attacks....is that not possible? Did you add Trip to you list of Sailing to always assail?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

As a moderator I would think that you could get your opinion across without the personal attacks....is that not possible? Did you add Trip to you list of Sailing to always assail?

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Thank you, moderator police.

Originally Posted by Trip7

On complex PWA sections like Scope it seems like it's easier for some folks to just personally attack others rather than address exactly what they mean by improve Scope language.

As shown by the Korean Air greivance snafu, even the Union knows a majority of pilots don't understand Section 1 and chose to mislead them.

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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson

Great points but at the risk of sounding melodramatic the only ones I see delaying the contract are the negotiating committee.