Shakinthefat

Jimmy Johns is high on the list

FL370esq

With or without the chips though?

notEnuf

With all the one issue voters and mins in several areas, I think we are OK. I don’t know what our QOL specifics are but I’ll have to be WOWed. With 15000 pilots they can’t just agree to mins in every category that show up on the web. They can’t settle early on PAY without a me too and SCOPE has to be better than book. The JVs have to be lopsided in our favor given the VA trans Atlantic example.

Planetrain

I disagree. Whether you agree with the negotiators or not, saying your min is less undermines their bargaining position. Anecdotes start to add up and make their way back to the company’s perception of power at the table.

Share your mins in the cockpit, definitely share them with your reps. I think it hurts us when you share them on the public web board.

m3113n1a1

I agree. Also everyone posting about how they make "so much money" and "never work" and "what a great job this is" are also slightly undermining the negotiators efforts. But I guess this is human nature. Happy New Year!

TED74

I'm broke, I'm always working, and this job sucks. Happy New Year my a55!

Scoop

Ted for negotiation committee!

Happy New Year!

Scoop

Wolf424

My min is 30%. Also this job sucks


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ERflyer

Maybe not publicly state our minimums but we should push for an agreement.

It is however difficult to criticize the NC or MEC when we have very little detail about what they have asked. This is of course by design because if we saw any numbers many of us would in fact probably laugh - I mean criticize.

Our comprehensive opener was very vague and painted in broad brush strokes such as “industry-leading hourly pay”. The only relative specifics have been in retirement, but again no real numbers attached. But a quick look seems like we’re asking about 5X what we asked for last contract and 15X more than what we actually got.

Until we have more specifics, from both sides actually, it will be difficult to push them together toward an agreement. One of the reasons we eventually got a TA last time was the MEC and management being pushed - by us, and by the NMB. We need the MEC to get more information to us rather than for us to simply trust them. Remember: they work for us.

I know it is one day after the amendable date. We will see how more years pass us by.

AirbusPTC

I know...wow...I'm not the first to say this, I've seen it on chitchat but someone needs to remind ChitChat guys every once in a while that well...there were IRA's and 401K programs since the early 1980's. What were they doing with all their money during the decade(s) before bankruptcy? Some might remember the push at other airlines in the late '80's to get pensions in the pilot's own name. Never happened here and it was foolish to defer income for a "promise" of a pension from a company in the most cyclical industry on the planet (ALPA was warned about this in the '80's). A pension in an industry that is littered with bankrupt airlines...really? Who's fault is it that many didn't save for retirement, the "new-hires"? I suspect many hired since Oct '96 will not share the chit-chat forums views on the minimum balance plan, so it's a non-starter. Life is about choices right?