Oh. Ok

I've been based in 3 diff domiciles where I could use it and live in a tax free state. That's what I wasn't getting and, if it was explained, I musta missed it.

So, what is Delta's "logic" for refusing for Atlanta pilots, and what is the status? (case pending or settled law)?

Additionally, if its "kin care", I thought that it comes out of your vacation time or is not paid time off( in other words it just guarantees you the right to drop a trip with no repurcussion and possibly no pay) Are we all talking the same thing here? Seems like Gloopy is making this out as something that is possibly costing thousands of $$$ every year

If those taxes were used to put money in a pool to pay you a state funded benefit from those taxes, you would have a salient point. You can't use your Georgia taxes to take a 6th or 7th week of vacation or to get out of a training freeze or to get 5:15 per training day, etc.

Sick leave is a collectively and equally negotiated benefit that we all pay for as its costed out evenly regardless of one's base. No one should ever get superior access to that kind of benefit in ways others can't.

I'm not referring to the cost to the company. I'm referring to our cost to negotiate and renew the sick time benefit equally to all of us every contract time, only to have certain special bases be able to use that equally negotiated benefit for other things while pilots in other bases cannot. And in no case does that have anything to do with whatever taxes someone may pay in their state. That is irrelevant. The best fix for this would be to "me too" any base's special benefit to all pilots in all bases.

The sick time benefits should apply equally and commuter parking as well(in the form of a stipend)

This ^^^^^

That’s tough to do because different states have different rules about what an employer has to let you use it for and how much. But yeah, it should be universal system wide. We would just have to negotiate that that most generous state guidelines apply to all. If another state then gets a better deal we all benefit.

Please Please Please can we get some better reserve language regarding short call.

The company should not be able to put every pilot on shortcall in a category if they forecast an IROP. Go look at DTW Reserve availability for narrow body categories and you'll see where legally possible putting all pilots on SC today. Again I understand the company protecting the operation but this is the wrong way to do it, they don't even follow the short callout times they post on DLnet, so why even post them. While it may help the operation short term this cripples the recovery for subsequent days of reserve coverage...seems like another case of scheduling trying to put out fires by pouring gasoline on the problem...

On another sidebar, why not help pilots get to and from work like they used to post in their Critical Ops updates. If the company isn't willing to make the effort to help us get to and from work, why would we make the effort to help them?

If it takes putting every pilot on short call to protect the operation, and the company isn’t violating the short call maximum, why is that a problem? That’s literally what reserves are for.

This summer there was no one on short call in NYC on my category for the whole day because everyone was sick, off, or flying. We ran outa people. I'd say they need to staff up before we talk about needing more protection.

This has to be a joke. An IROP is exactly when they need people available and in any other job if you don’t show for work you get fired. If anything, if you commute and see an IROP coming YOU should be going a day or two early so YOU don’t miss work.

So I should use my off days to get to work, for which everyday I’m on reserve I’m already working and have been since May (I’ve literally had 2 days since May 1 I haven’t been used on reserve)? I should probably volunteer to work more than on my off days since the company can’t staff correctly to cover their problem up? GMAFB, this is why fatigue calls are up...it’s poor planning on the companies part

are they not offering PS to work? Every IROP over the summer in NYC seemed to have PS offered to get to work.

No (filler)

You don’t have to use your days off. You choose to

I thought you got PS on 2nd attempt to work?

Last year they offered PS the second IROP seemed possible.

This year, never saw it offered.

NYC 7ER

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Yes, we do but we used to get it for any IROP, in fact every time I’ve called in for 2nd attempt I’ve just been told “get here when you can” or they ask if you want to do a Personal Drop/Payback Day, which I don’t want to do

I used it twice for NYC IROPS this summer. It was at the bottom of the critical updates. I’ve always just chatted pilot assist on the iPad and they’ve hooked me up with PS.

That’s how I read them as well. Always a statement at the bottom that says to contact pilot assist for help commuting if needed. I’ve never pushed to test on that but I read it as they will PS when possible with no questions asked.

Correct, there has been zero pushback from the company and it’s their policy in the FOM.

What exactly is the big IROP in DTW that requires PS to work tomorrow? The forecast is VFR, light winds and no precipitation all day.

Did you care to look what happened there today?

As a commuter? 100% yes!

He is going to work on the 12th unless I read it wrong.

You’re right. However, DTW dealt with a significant IROP snow event all day yesterday the 11th with lots of cancellations later in the day. That probably would make it tough for most commuters to get to work if they had an early report this morning.

The NYC FAs, on many occasions, are offered PS proactively to get to work when the weather looks like it’s going to be bad. It has the effect of greatly reducing the seats available for commuting pilots.

Yes and NYC pilots were getting it as well...

I mean it is your job to show up to work....


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Can't we just use the positive space commuter policy? I don't understand the consternation when commuting. 2 flights spaced appropriately is really that hard?

Some believe it’s the companies job to get them to work.

And that I will never understand


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I never got the notification to proactively book PS, not once.

The critical ops updates had “please contact pilot assist for help getting to work” or something along those lines...

The majority of pilots commute or will at some point in their career. Having a robust commuter policy is an industry standard QOL life item. That doesn't mean it's the company's job to get pilots to work. I'd like to see this company do what they want in places like NYC and LAX if nobody commuted.

The notice to the FAs says to just book PS seats. No call required.

quick and easy via iPad assist app. take it or leave it I guess.

They say that often for pilots also. Used it many times.

You may want to check on that. The FA's were getting it proactively meaning IFS just makes a post on their site saying make your own positive space to work. This is something completely different than the unable to commute policy which they have also and it does make it harder to commute on heavily commuted city pairs.

You will need to point me to the post on the flight ops section of deltanet that has ever told pilots to just go ahead and book their own positive space to work. Now if you are saying that you've gotten the ok to do it yourself from the CPO or crew scheds that is a different story.

Just wait until you are a line holder... you’ll have to get to work BEFORE the trip starts and then they expect you to be there the whole time meaning you have to get back home on your own time too. What?! May as well live in the crew room amiright?

I recall COUs in years past authorizing self-bookings for PS but it was for our few extreme IROP events. It doesn’t happen for every IROP, however. Just depends on how desperate they get.