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saturn 10-29-2019 07:21 AM

I think our bonus structure is incredibly mundane. Profit Sharing is such a bore. How about we get rid of profit sharing payouts to each pilot, and instead we put 1/10th of the net profit sharing into a big pot that a few lucky pilots can win? Like a lottery! How exciting!

Imagine if you won the grand prize of $50 million🎩! Wow! Or 2nd place with a shinyyy new Cirrus SR22 🛩! 10 lucky pilots would get consolation prizes of a sporty Mazda Miata 🚘! Imagine rollin' up to the employee lot in that? Or trade in your winnings for the rights to the Mystery Box🔮! Is it suitcases full of cash? Deeds to PTC/Park City mansions? Maybe a Boat? All of the above?

- I'm Scott Kirby, and I approve of this message.

theUpsideDown 10-29-2019 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2914355)
I think our bonus structure is incredibly mundane. Profit Sharing is such a bore. How about we get rid of profit sharing payouts to each pilot, and instead we put 1/10th of the net profit sharing into a big pot that a few lucky pilots can win? Like a lottery! How exciting!

Imagine if you won the grand prize of $50 million🎩! Wow! Or 2nd place with a shinyyy new Cirrus SR22 🛩! 10 lucky pilots would get consolation prizes of a sporty Mazda Miata 🚘! Imagine rollin' up to the employee lot on that? Or trade in you're winnings for the rights to the Mystery Box🔮! Is it suitcases full of cash? Deeds to PTC/Park City mansions? Maybe a Boat? All of the above?

- I'm Scott Kirby, and I approve of this message.

A boat? Man, that mystery box is a good deal Lois, there could be a boat inside, you know how much we've always wanted one of those.

Spudhauler 10-29-2019 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2914315)
All of our positions are very reasonable.

The usual suspects hate that they lost control and are now trying to paint our leaders in a negative light to deliver the Delta pilots for less to management for a pat on the head.

Same stuff, different day.

Our leaders are doing a perfect job.

This is by far the best negotiating environment in our history and we have outstanding negotiators.

The beat way to succeed is to support them 100%. Don’t let a vocal handful destroy your future. Scope is everything for our new pilots. We couldn’t have a better scope chairman.

I am naively optimistic, but to suggest they're perfect is silly. We don't have a thing to base that on as far as a contract. And they support us, so as long as they're doing what we demand of them, great. If they venture off into the weeds by paying attention to a few social media posts that they think indicates that desires of the majority, then there is no way they should have our support. Trust but verify, and they need to show me something before I give them blind loyalty.

gzsg 10-29-2019 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 2914333)
I like how you go all cynical and then do the exact thing you bash the others for.

All I ask for is pilots taking the side of pilots. That includes looking at this from every angle. If you go accusing every pilot who disagrees with your brand of cheerleading a management goon you're gonna find yourself pretty alone under that tent.

I support our negotiators 100%.

Our MEC chairman and MEC have provided clear and constant communication. Couldn’t be better in my opinion.

I believe I am in a majority of over 14,000.

How many in the haters club in your opinion ? 30? 50?

theUpsideDown 10-29-2019 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2914387)
I support our negotiators 100%.

Our MEC chairman and MEC have provided clear and constant communication. Couldn’t be better in my opinion.

I believe I am in a majority of over 14,000.

How many in the haters club in your opinion ? 30? 50?

I mean, I would say you are in the can't read club. I'm too new to have a great opinion but I like everyone shooting up, maybe we're not all shooting the same height but we are all shooting in the same general direction.

Denny Crane 10-29-2019 08:48 AM

First of all I hope gzsg is right. But I hate to say I’m feeling pretty cynical about what will be achieved and how long it will take.

Denny

sailingfun 10-29-2019 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2914402)
First of all I hope gzsg is right. But I hate to say I’m feeling pretty cynical about what will be achieved and how long it will take.

Denny

I like what GZSG says about supporting the MEC leadership and how he applied that concept to past MEC’s. Opps, maybe not a good example!

sailingfun 10-29-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by GliderCFI (Post 2914351)
Better yet, just make the amendable date July 1 instead of January. Then put a pill in the contract that prevents the company from issuing premium pay after the amendable date. Some gonna gripe they can't make it rain all summer, but what percentage of legs operated on the summer are done on premium pay? It would take 48 hours to have one helluva deal.

How exactly do you think you will get the company to agree to that?

Herkflyr 10-29-2019 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2914387)
I support our negotiators 100%.



Our MEC chairman and MEC have provided clear and constant communication. Couldn’t be better in my opinion.



I believe I am in a majority of over 14,000.



How many in the haters club in your opinion ? 30? 50?

I actually want to agree with you. I support our MEC, MEC Chair and Negotiators.

I've been very pleased with the communication efforts from this MEC, both regarding the negotiations and more day to day stuff.

However, regarding the "hater club" which group are you referring to? The TA1 "we'll never get another cent" group, or the Chit Chat "where every day is a rainy day" crowd that honestly thought TA2 would be rejected as well.

Both groups exist, and both are wrong.

theUpsideDown 10-29-2019 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2914483)
How exactly do you think you will get the company to agree to that?

Just tell them we wanna extend the next 6months but they gotta sign now, once signed, then rip off a piece of the contract covered by notepaper and scream A-HA!


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