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11-12-2019, 10:13 PM
#951
Rerouted On Weekends
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 717A
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The company has been posting MOAB AE's roughly every 11 months for the last several years. The last one was in March 2019. They are going to run into a problem though in a year or two if they keep trying this strategy, as you are only allowed one year-long AE per calendar year. Assume they do a MOAB in Feb 2020, and another 11 months later in Jan 2021. Then what? They can't do another one in 11 months, because that would be December 2021, which would be two in the same calendar year. So this attempt to stretch a 2-year seat lock into a 3-year seat lock will come to an end, barring a PWA change.
11-13-2019, 04:32 AM
#952
Roll’n Thunder
Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Pilot
Posts: 3,891
Don't forget that in order to post a 365 day bid there must be displacements on the bid. Not saying they can't do a mini-displacement in January just like the small MSP one currently posted, but they've said the massive 88 displacement bid won't occur until May. I'm sure displacing people has it's own costs, and sometimes must be done, but it seems like a stretch to try to come up with some displacements just to time a MOAB...
11-13-2019, 04:46 AM
#953
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,618
Originally Posted by Scoop
One final thought - I believe we have longer seat locks than both AMR and UAL, not sure about the cargo guys, so we should definitely be looking to improve them.
18 month equipment freeze for newhires, 24 month equpiment freeze changing equipment but maintaining seat, 18 month equipment freeze if upgrading from FO to CA, equipment freezes waivable if bidding into a new domicile, and active equpiment freezes are not applicable if upgrading from FO to CA.
11-13-2019, 06:59 AM
#954
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,657
Don't forget that in order to post a 365 day bid there must be displacements on the bid. Not saying they can't do a mini-displacement in January just like the small MSP one currently posted, but they've said the massive 88 displacement bid won't occur until May. I'm sure displacing people has it's own costs, and sometimes must be done, but it seems like a stretch to try to come up with some displacements just to time a MOAB...
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11-13-2019, 07:09 AM
#955
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,692
11-13-2019, 07:28 AM
#956
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Hoping for any position
Posts: 2,529
It’s ok to concede we don’t have rules as good as others but also have better than some. I feel like you are constantly trying to explain away why some companies have better provisions by diverting attention to areas we have better.
11-13-2019, 07:38 AM
#957
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Captain
Posts: 830
I don’t have their contract I front of me but was told recently by a UAL buddy that basically if they are moving up they can do that anytime. What is defined as “up” I am unsure. I feel confident saying I could start by bidding to the ER in January and end up on the 350 at the end of the year if the AEs has them and I could hold them with their rules.
It’s ok to concede we don’t have rules as good as others but also have better than some. I feel like you are constantly trying to explain away why some companies have better provisions by diverting attention to areas we have better.
It’s ok to concede we don’t have rules as good as others but also have better than some. I feel like you are constantly trying to explain away why some companies have better provisions by diverting attention to areas we have better.
I don’t think it will be hard at all for them to get it back on this TA since it seems to be a higher priority than in the past.
11-13-2019, 07:44 AM
#958
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,301
I don’t have their contract I front of me but was told recently by a UAL buddy that basically if they are moving up they can do that anytime. What is defined as “up” I am unsure. I feel confident saying I could start by bidding to the ER in January and end up on the 350 at the end of the year if the AEs has them and I could hold them with their rules.
It’s ok to concede we don’t have rules as good as others but also have better than some. I feel like you are constantly trying to explain away why some companies have better provisions by diverting attention to areas we have better.
It’s ok to concede we don’t have rules as good as others but also have better than some. I feel like you are constantly trying to explain away why some companies have better provisions by diverting attention to areas we have better.
Not saying we need this here, just trying to spread the knowledge!
11-13-2019, 07:55 AM
#959
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 5,891
3 pay bands (737/320, 75/76, 78/77). If you move from one pay band to the next higher (or captain), you don't have to wait for a freeze to expire.
So in theory a newhire awarded the 320 could bid 75 at 6 months. Fly the 75 for a few months then bid 787.
11-13-2019, 09:05 AM
#960
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,692
24 month freeze, that a buddy thinks starts 90 days after the award or training start (whichever occurs first).
3 pay bands (737/320, 75/76, 78/77). If you move from one pay band to the next higher (or captain), you don't have to wait for a freeze to expire.
So in theory a newhire awarded the 320 could bid 75 at 6 months. Fly the 75 for a few months then bid 787.
3 pay bands (737/320, 75/76, 78/77). If you move from one pay band to the next higher (or captain), you don't have to wait for a freeze to expire.
So in theory a newhire awarded the 320 could bid 75 at 6 months. Fly the 75 for a few months then bid 787.
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