notEnuf

Blackhole? I’d consider that a relief from the monthly head fake. If they just found out about their training pipeline short comings, do you believe they have any real clue what they can accomplish by May? They don’t have a clue how to handle their self induced shortage. Frankly, I don’t care because they have created a timely crisis we will be asked to solve in negotiations. My answer to that is obvious. QOL is what we need because pay will match the industry standard plus colas for the duration. There is absolutely no way we will get improved QOL (loss of productivity for the company) and grow international. The result is either productivity gives or give more flying to our subsidiary partners. They are positioning and all you can do is excuse and explain as usual.

I have no idea what the group sentiment is but NO is my place holder until I am wowed. This is 101 negotiating stuff, make the other party negotiate against itself. Forcing a choice between competing interests, thereby removing one when the other is prioritized higher. I’d rather have eye watering levels of GSWC and IAs than agree to any SCOPE or QOL relief. At least that way there’s no permanent erosion and a nice incentive for the individual choice of helping save the operation through the summer. Again!

Trip7

Spot on. As many on here have alluded to, some find happiness in not being happy and will look for the slightest minutia to complain about such as the Nov/Dec AE rumor not being correct although big picture wise the rumor was corrected just shifted to Jan/Feb



After complaining for years about the lack of international growth we finally are getting it and now it's onto complaining that the company should have planned training better. I do agree there is no chance of QOL and Scope giveback. History has proven over and over that the Greenslip system is the ideal "flex" staffing to cover acute shortages



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Scoop

Trip,

Some complain. Some are optimists. It is the interwebs afterall.

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RonRicco

No doubt. Not that we all don’t want improvements in QOL, scope etc and no doubt we all have our bad days, but this is about the best I have had it in my 23 year career. If you are miserable now (like the guy who constantly says “4 more years”) there probably isn’t a contract that will make you “unmiserable.”

sailingfun

I agree it’s very atypical and in fact the fleet plans and overall fleet projections by the company have been remarkable accurate since the 2012 contract was signed. In fact with the exception of the deferral of the last 10 A350’s the fleet changes have been on the good side. Good news at Delta really bothers some on here.

notEnuf

737/e190order... no TA1... no order... This is the inaccuracy we live with daily. Months later they announced a smaller 737 order and the then CS100. Yes, the plan changes and yes that makes them wrong more than right. I happen to think it serves their purpose. Now we have a bid expectation for wide body growth. That expectation is Lucy‘s football. Will she pull it at the last second? All those airframes could become 767 replacements and no growth. Hmm, what does our PWA say about global block hours? This pilot group is the Charley Brown of negotiations. So eager that this time is going to be great that we rush without really thinking about the environment around us. We have the oldest mainline fleet, renewal is underway.

I digress. The point is we have 0 input in fleet decisions. The negotiation landscape is constantly changing and a lot of the changes are intentional moves to shape it.




And, crew resources is screwed and flailing but that will be evident soon enough. They are now dependent upon the 2.9 year seat lock cycle. None of this is pessimistic. Rather, a clear unbiased view stated without emotion.

Abouttime2fish

As far as crew resources being limited by seat lock cycles, I thought that there was a provision that allowed the company to award an AE despite any seat lock if they so chose.

notEnuf

Freeing up everyone to bid would overload an already overloaded training department. This is the reason for the MOAB cycle and additional lock time.

FL370esq

Yup....the lock is at their discretion. However, they don't "discress" very often. 😁

180ToAJ

Is the artificial 3 year seat lock really a thing?
There are about 2 months from AE post to 1st conversion.
(We had a smaller AE released on Sep 9th. The results were posted on Sep 23rd with 1st conversions in Nov)
Your seat lock has to be up before the 1st conversion, not the AE post date. Wouldn't that drive the MOABs back 2 months a year in order to enforce the 3 year seat lock? That would be one every 10 months.
Let's say you were awarded something June 17 with the seat lock up June 19.
The next MOAB would have to be be April 18 to prevent people from 2 years prior to be awarded something.
Your seat lock expiration year would have be be Feb 19. So, you would have to wait until Dec 19 for the next MOAB.
So, isn't it more like a 2 1/2 year artificial seat lock?

Also, what percentage of pilots are trying to move every 2 years? Most pilots that I know avoid Virgina Ave.

I imagine the company is looking for outside of the box thinking, but I just don't know how effective forcing a small percentage of pilots to delay training 6 months is.