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10-28-2019, 05:29 AM

#551

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by Xray678

The 757 rate was indeed brought up to the 767 rate. Or rather, the 757, 767-200 and 767-300 were all brought up to the 767-300ER rate. That said the difference between the 757 rate and the 7ER rate was only a couple of dollars. In the end, the company conned to union into continuing to accept a substandard 767 rate by banding it with the 757 rate. A win? Hardly. The 757 rate is about where it should be relative to the fleet and the 767 is probably 15-20$ low.

The only reason back in that time frame the 767 rate seemed low was the 737N/767-400 agreement signed prior to openers on the 2001 contract. Before that agreement it was right in line pay wise. We argued that the 73N and 767-400 deserved the pay bump based on greater efficiency over our current aircraft so hard to argue in the 01 contract they needed a bump to get near those rates.

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10-28-2019, 06:39 AM

#552

Scooter432

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Originally Posted by Trip7

787 opening up all the long haul stuff for Legacies. AA just announced they are heading to New Zealand like United. 787-900

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I would love for Delta to do this for selfish reasons. I'd love to vacation down there on DL metal, not a zed fare.

10-28-2019, 06:57 AM

#553

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Originally Posted by Cogf16

An airplane who's gross weight is probably 150K less should pay more???? Are you crazy? One of the biggest pay "definitions" in this industry is gross weight. I think that would be a dangerous precedent "removing" that. What happens when the next "super" airplane comes around???

In case you haven’t heard, gross weight is considerably less on new airplanes with more capabilities and the A321neo is the new 757 but at a much cheaper operational cost. The 752 and the 763 pay exactly the same. Yup we should get paid more fore a more efficient airplane doing the same mission. And it will be another year before we get a deal so add a 4% annual raise.

10-28-2019, 10:00 AM

#554

Trip7

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Originally Posted by saturn

They've already been going LAX-AUK. Now they're adding summer DFW-AUK. And LAX to Christchurch!

Ah, good to know. Thanks

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10-28-2019, 10:54 AM

#555

FmrFreightDog

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Originally Posted by Scooter432

That was said..true story.

I want to hear this story.....

10-28-2019, 12:46 PM

#556

Bucking Bar

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Originally Posted by notEnuf

In case you haven’t heard, gross weight is considerably less on new airplanes with more capabilities and the A321neo is the new 757 but at a much cheaper operational cost.

The 767 and 757 replaced three pilots with two.

The 321 requires three pilots. The third is there to say "Guard Your Heading"

10-28-2019, 12:50 PM

#557

JamesBond

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Originally Posted by Cogf16

But what happens if we buy the next "super" airplane that has a significant increase in gross weight? For example, the A-380 is configured with suites, bars and bedrooms so it "only carries what a 777-300 carries pax wise. However, it weighs 200K more. Are we only going to be paid based on pax count and range? Slippery slope "removing" gross weight from the equation. The 75/76 pay "banding" was done almost 20 years ago and was a "win" for us. They used to be separate.

IF DAL bought a 380, it would have 600 seats on it. You are delusional if you think they would waste one inch of space for bars and the like.

10-28-2019, 12:52 PM

#558

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Originally Posted by Trip7

787 opening up all the long haul stuff for Legacies. AA just announced they are heading to New Zealand like United. 787-900

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Screw 787s.

More A350s baby. Far far better ULH airplane.

10-28-2019, 12:55 PM

#559

tunes

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Originally Posted by JamesBond

IF DAL bought a 380, it would have 600 seats on it. You are delusional if you think they would waste one inch of space for bars and the like.

And considering how we think the 777 has too many seats........

10-28-2019, 04:08 PM

#560

notEnuf

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The 767 and 757 replaced three pilots with two.

The 321 requires three pilots. The third is there to say "Guard Your Heading"

Lost me. But that’s not hard to do. The A321neo will pay what we negotiate. We better negotiate current 7ER(757) rates plus. Even better would be a WB rate for the 767-300ER. Not sure why the formulas used decades ago for removing personnel and weight apply.