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10-24-2019, 05:38 PM
#461
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Haha, that’s so gnarly Dude. I picture you looking like Bernie Sanders about to yell at the brats in the neighborhood to get off your lawn.
10-24-2019, 06:31 PM
#462
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10-24-2019, 06:41 PM
#463
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10-24-2019, 07:06 PM
#464
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Maybe because some people are using a bigger picture and understand generalities if they are pilots and familiar with the nuances(as opposed to my neighbor who isn't and would require a more detailed explanation). For example, if there are no NYC 320 FO bids on the next AE.....and therefore I am not awarded it....then with my 30+ years at Delta I should tell people that I can't hold it?
I think most pilots understand the big picture of what it means, kinda like they understand what being awarded a position "out of seniority" means. My non-pilot wife understands what "out of seniority" means and what "can hold" means
Not trying to be snarky(please don't take it that way), ....it just seems these two terms irk you and you don't understand why some pilots don't see it your way. I think you can start a Wikipedia page and put your "universal definition" up and pilots the world over can help modify and craft the definition to support your/my thoughts about both terms since you keep asking "why".
I think most pilots understand the big picture of what it means, kinda like they understand what being awarded a position "out of seniority" means. My non-pilot wife understands what "out of seniority" means and what "can hold" means
Not trying to be snarky(please don't take it that way), ....it just seems these two terms irk you and you don't understand why some pilots don't see it your way. I think you can start a Wikipedia page and put your "universal definition" up and pilots the world over can help modify and craft the definition to support your/my thoughts about both terms since you keep asking "why".
If I can't infer the specific reason/interest for one's question "can I hold XYX?", I generally need to know more to provide helpful information. The asker often wants to know one or more things with that question and the answer to each can be different:
1. Am I senior to the plug?
2. Is it likely (or what is the likelihood) that I can be awarded that category (and when)?
3. Is it likely (or what is the likelihood) that I will be displaced from my category (and when)?
I can be junior to the plug and not be awarded a category for months or years.
I can be junior to the plug and have a high likelihood of being awarded a category.
I can be well above the plug and be MD'd.
I can be above the plug and be safe from displacement.
The question and the answer each seem to have some nuance.
10-24-2019, 07:09 PM
#465
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Got to agree with Buck here, there is a big difference in what you can hold and what is awarded on any given AE.
OBTW this goes back to Orville and Wilbur when with the loss of a coin toss Wilbur was heard to mutter “ I built the flyer and now I can’t even hold it out of Kitty Hawk.”
To which Orville responded, “Bid NYC, if you to hold the Flyer.”
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10-24-2019, 07:18 PM
#466
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Ok. But what if that's not why I'm asking?
My wife wants to know if I will go ahead and upgrade already to WB captain. She cares not if I'm senior to people who already do...she cares if I can go make more money. If I thought I wouldn't get that upgrade for another year or two (despite someone junior to me already being there, or being reinstated without me getting the award), I'd tell her I can't hold it yet.
But again... y'all needn't worry how we use the term in my family and I now appreciate I'm in the minority.
My wife wants to know if I will go ahead and upgrade already to WB captain. She cares not if I'm senior to people who already do...she cares if I can go make more money. If I thought I wouldn't get that upgrade for another year or two (despite someone junior to me already being there, or being reinstated without me getting the award), I'd tell her I can't hold it yet.
But again... y'all needn't worry how we use the term in my family and I now appreciate I'm in the minority.
10-24-2019, 07:33 PM
#467
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10-24-2019, 07:41 PM
#468
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10-24-2019, 07:58 PM
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Ok. But what if that's not why I'm asking?
My wife wants to know if I will go ahead and upgrade already to WB captain. She cares not if I'm senior to people who already do...she cares if I can go make more money. If I thought I wouldn't get that upgrade for another year or two (despite someone junior to me already being there, or being reinstated without me getting the award), I'd tell her I can't hold it yet.
But again... y'all needn't worry how we use the term in my family and I now appreciate I'm in the minority.
My wife wants to know if I will go ahead and upgrade already to WB captain. She cares not if I'm senior to people who already do...she cares if I can go make more money. If I thought I wouldn't get that upgrade for another year or two (despite someone junior to me already being there, or being reinstated without me getting the award), I'd tell her I can't hold it yet.
But again... y'all needn't worry how we use the term in my family and I now appreciate I'm in the minority.
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10-25-2019, 05:15 AM
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