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Old 10-23-2019, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I think alot of people are going to be surprised next summer when there aren't nearly as many Greenslips and the pace is significantly reduced.

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1. No unexpected 3% increase in flying above planned

2. More balanced staffing in regards to fleets/bases

3. No JFK runway construction allowing much more efficient use of airspace

4. The thunderstorms will probably not be as bad

5. The fleets that struggled the most with staffing this summer have a high amount of training capacity (73N/320)

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Isn’t this like saying though you expect nothing unexpected will happen? Like they said for this past summer?

The takeaway should be stop trying to plan to perfection on a year long AE. There WILL be something unexpected. It’s just a matter of what it is and how significant it will be. More frequent AEs will help.
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I don't. That why I did not state in absolutes. But using probability analysis it's not unreasonable to believe the weather won't be that bad(rolling Thunderstorms across multiple hubs) two summers in a row

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The climate is getting more volatile. If anything last summer is the new normal, not the exception.
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
They can always ask for relief. I don’t think this particular problem is something we’d take a hard line “no” on.
As long as they "give up" the 365 AE then sure, we could help them out this once.
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Old 10-23-2019, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I think alot of people are going to be surprised next summer when there aren't nearly as many Greenslips and the pace is significantly reduced.

Reasons:

1. No unexpected 3% increase in flying above planned

2. More balanced staffing in regards to fleets/bases

3. No JFK runway construction allowing much more efficient use of airspace

4. The thunderstorms will probably not be as bad

5. The fleets that struggled the most with staffing this summer have a high amount of training capacity (73N/320)

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Maybe if "next summer" starts tomorrow but when was the last time a DAL Marketing plan went that long without a change? We are firing on all cylinders and our marketing team is doing a great job with maximizing revenue but they are flat out schizophrenic when it comes to developing a plan and then executing it.

Finally I think you are confusing the word "unexpected" with "planned."
How could we possibly know what the "unexpected" increase in flying is if by definition it is unexpected?

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Reminds me of something a wise man once said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTRKCXC0JFg
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Old 10-23-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I think alot of people are going to be surprised next summer when there aren't nearly as many Greenslips and the pace is significantly reduced.

Reasons:

1. No unexpected 3% increase in flying above planned

2. More balanced staffing in regards to fleets/bases

3. No JFK runway construction allowing much more efficient use of airspace

4. The thunderstorms will probably not be as bad

5. The fleets that struggled the most with staffing this summer have a high amount of training capacity (73N/320)

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From the outside looking in, I think you'd fit well into the groupthink of the 4th floor. I hope you and they are luckier next year than they were this one.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:18 AM
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The weekly flight ops update says to expect the next AE in the first half of November. With the potential for training in December.
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Old 10-23-2019, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rooster435
The latest 717 newsletter talked about a Dec/Jan AE for a Minny base. Seems unlikely they would have a Nov/Dec AE and a Dec/Jan AE.
Flt Ops E-mail today says AE likely in first half of November. If true, could see another AE in Jan. Just a few years ago, we'd run an AE every 6ish weeks. Here's hoping we're going back to that,

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4. The thunderstorms will probably not be as bad
False. Global warm....errr...climate change bro! Weather is only going to get worse from here on out!
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Old 10-23-2019, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I think alot of people are going to be surprised next summer when there aren't nearly as many Greenslips and the pace is significantly reduced.

Reasons:

1. No unexpected 3% increase in flying above planned

2. More balanced staffing in regards to fleets/bases

3. No JFK runway construction allowing much more efficient use of airspace

4. The thunderstorms will probably not be as bad

5. The fleets that struggled the most with staffing this summer have a high amount of training capacity (73N/320)

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1. The plan always changes up and down.

2. They’ll need to change rotation construction to more reasonable as well. There is always an unbalanced fleet, too. Whatever it is this year, it’ll be another one next year.

3. There will be other construction next year.

4. Seriously? They happen every summer, across the country. It’s kinda a thing with the climate. Atlanta actually was a bit lighter than usual this year. Poor rotation construction and cutting pads reduced ability to recover. It’s why we have people on their 4th GSs still going in mid October.

5. See 2.



This 5 talking points are asinine and are akin to giving Tylenol to a cancer patient. Root cause: they royally screwed up staffing trying to cut corners and save money when we should have been padding the coffers in advance of massive retirements to further the best airline in the world. Building bid packs with the vast majority of 4 and 5 day trips with over 8 hour blocks days looks neat, but they blow up and require 3x’s the pilots to cover when they do. Which they did.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:41 PM
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I think it’s going to be a smaller AE than many here expect. It still will have a nice bump in widebody positions.
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Old 10-23-2019, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think it’s going to be a smaller AE than many here expect. It still will have a nice bump in widebody positions.
Of course, posted widebody vacancies create numerous contingent vacancies (unlike posted narrow-body vacancies) so an award that looks small on paper can still generate a bunch of movement. Just a matter of how much backfilling CR wants to permit.
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